1888 KIMBALL's (Factory # 649)....show us your N184 cards

[tedzan]

Photos of the KIMBALL Factory (#649) in Rochester, NY (circa 1880's)....this link is fascinating....do spend some time en-
joying it, as it is very informative.
http://users.ap.net/~burntofferings/adskimballfactory.html

Civil War veteran and Tobacco tycoon, William Smith Kimball, produced his cigarette brand in the Peerless Tobacco Works
in Rochester, NY. In the 1890's, the American Tobacco Co. (ATC) transferred their Goodwin & Company cigarette brands,
"Gypsy Queen" and "Old Judge", from their NYC plant to the new and more efficient Kimball plant in Rochester. This was a
scenario that was subsequently repeated (during the 1905-1912 era) with other ATC brands (see scans).
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In 1888, Kimball inserted sportscards premiums (N184) in his cigarette packs to promote the sale of his cigarettes. Four
of the 50-cards in this set feature BB players, they are......
E. A. Burch
Dell Darling
Hardie Henderson
James O'Neil



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Subsequent tobacco product premiums from Factory 649........

.................................................. 1909.............................................. .................late 1910 or early 1911
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..............................................1911 .................................................. ..............................................1909
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Some more 1911 BB and non-sports cards........
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Show us your KIMBALL's BB cards (I sold all of mine)....or any of the 46 other N184 sportscards.

No Kimball's ?....then, show us any other Factory 649 related sports cards.


TED Z

[uffda51]

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/goodwinsandkimballs/Kimballqus%20Henderson.JPG

[canjond]

http://baseballandtobacco.com/images/n184.gif

[tedzan]

How tough are those Kimball packs ?

I have very fond memories of Rochester. My Uncle and Aunt and cousins lived there and we would visit them often
back in the late 1940's thru the 1970's.


TED Z

[canjond]

How tough are those Kimball packs ?

I have very fond memories of Rochester. My Uncle and Aunt and cousins lived there and we would visit them often
back in the late 1940's thru the 1970's.


TED Z

Ted - I would classify them as fairly tough, but not impossible to find. I have owned 2 or 3 of them in my time. Very nice ones will sell between $200-$300. Poor condition ones in the $100s (or less if you can find the right deal).

[Jay Wolt]

Here's Mr. Darling

http://www.qualitycards.com/pictures/n184darling.jpg

[ethicsprof]

beautiful stuff!!
i have the Muller and the High Grade pack, thanks to Ted Z and Jon C.
respectively.
look at their scans and they look pretty close to mine!
best,
barry

[rnisly]

http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-N184/go.html

[jmk59]

I think I was lucky to get this one. Not exactly rare, but you don't really see a whole lot of them either. I guess they just don't get transacted much. This one certainly won't be! :-)

J

[tedzan]

Joann

Thanks for posting your Annie Oakley. I often see her Allen & Ginter (N28) card....here is mine.
I seldom see her Kimball's card.


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Best regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

Your Dell Darling is absolutely the nicest Kimball's BB player card that I've seen.

The only one I've had that approaches yours is James O'Neil.

Thanks for posting it here.


Best regards,

TED Z

[jerrys]

Some years ago I obtained a Kimball's full pack and opened it. No luck..it contains a Butterfly card. A yellow paper (ad? - coupon?) separates the card from the cigarettes. I did not remove that paper for fear that I would not be able to reinsert it without damaging the loose tobacco cigarettes.

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[Jay Wolt]

Your Dell Darling is absolutely the nicest Kimball's BB player card that I've seen.

The only one I've had that approaches yours is James O'Neil.

Thanks for posting it here.


Best regards,

TED Z

Ted, glad you like it.
Here is my Tip O'Neil (O'Neill), it presents well but is trimmed
As you know he's the biggest star of the 4 Baseball subjects
so I'm glad to have it. He hit .435 during the '87 season when the card was produced.

http://www.qualitycards.com/pictures/1264511017.jpg

[tedzan]

Jay

Your O'Neil beats mine (trimmed, notwithstanding). Do you also have E. A. Burch ?

Then we would have at least accounted for the four BB cards in the Kimball's set.

Thanks for posting your O'Neil ("Tip" O'Neill).


TED Z

[edhans]

Obviously not a card and I don't know if it had anything to do with the cards, but here's a period Kimball's tobacco jar.

http://www.thecybersource.com/~edhans/kimbjar.jpg

[canjond]

Obviously not a card and I don't know if it had anything to do with the cards, but here's a period Kimball's tobacco jar.

http://www.thecybersource.com/~edhans/kimbjar.jpg

Ed - well that's certainly the same company and those jars are quite rare I believe. However, the N184s we not packaged inside of the jars - only the packs.

[E93]

Ed,
That is a cool jar!
JimB

[ethicsprof]

i'm with Jim; that is a great jar. i'd love to see it full of those 4 baseball cards
and given to me for a present this Christmas. :)

best,
barry

[t213]

Here is a page from the original Kimball album, which includes my favorite card in the set - the cannon ball catcher.

Andy

http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv73/Cloran86/kimballf.jpg

[cfc1909]

Well no Kimbell here -I will have to add that one to my list but I do have some 649s

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[cfc1909]

and the overprint

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[pete zouras]

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[Jay Wolt]

Jay

Your O'Neil beats mine (trimmed, notwithstanding). Do you also have E. A. Burch ?

Then we would have at least accounted for the four BB cards in the Kimball's set.

Thanks for posting your O'Neil ("Tip" O'Neill).


TED Z
Ted, per your request here is a scan of E. A. Burch

http://www.qualitycards.com/pictures/1223939002.jpg

[BCD]

please move to BST section ...thanks