This day in history - 9/24/21 - Ty Cobb goes crazy - show 'em! [Archive]

scooter729

09-24-2009, 04:19 PM

9/24/1921 - Seething with rage over ball-strike and baserunning calls he felt had gone against him unfairly, Detroit player-manager Ty Cobb challenges umpire Billy Evans to a fistfight and the two go at it for over a half an hour under the stands at Griffith Stadium in Washington.

Players from both clubs, along with a few fans and stadium workers, watch a no-holds-barred, bare-knuckle brawl with no rules, no referee and little decorum observed by Cobb, who fights like a wild man.

It's finally broken up when Cobb smashes Evans' head into the cement floor, threatening to kill him. Evans never files a report, but AL president Ban Johnson suspends Cobb as a player for the balance of the year.

Zach Wheat

09-24-2009, 04:33 PM

And the E220 counterpart.....

Jacklitsch

09-24-2009, 04:44 PM

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/Odds%20and%20Ends/CobbBlanket.jpg

chiprop

09-24-2009, 04:51 PM

There are over 200 different Cobb cards, this one is my favorite...
<a href="http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/chiprop/?action=view&current=d304cobb-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/chiprop/d304cobb-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

D. Broughman

09-24-2009, 05:17 PM

t205

GasHouseGang

09-24-2009, 05:23 PM

I don't have a Cobb to show, but just wanted to say that I had never heard that story about Ty. I can't imagine what would happen to a player or manager doing something like that today! "Banned for life" comes to mind. Those were certainly different times.

Matt

09-24-2009, 05:29 PM

Both available, BTW :)
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_pAhpQ3jIX9M/SmPmRDXhuMI/AAAAAAAAFyk/m0MLe1CpCUw/s800/scan0019.jpghttp://lh3.ggpht.com/_pAhpQ3jIX9M/SmPmGO13jiI/AAAAAAAAFyQ/UqwKm_by4Zw/s800/scan0018.jpg

HRBAKER

09-24-2009, 05:33 PM

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s172/hrbaker/cobbsfr.jpg

Oldtix

09-24-2009, 05:34 PM

In the interest of equal time.

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac351/oldtix/006-2.jpg

calvindog

09-24-2009, 05:48 PM

Oldtix

09-24-2009, 06:23 PM

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac351/oldtix/TYCOBBGAMECARD.jpg

pete zouras

09-24-2009, 06:40 PM

majordanby

09-24-2009, 06:41 PM

the d304 and cracker jacks are probably my favorites. but, this is darn close

http://www.freewebs.com/majormajor/photos/-HOF-collection/cobbe94.jpg

Chris D.

09-24-2009, 06:53 PM

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e346/chrisdiaz203/T206%20SGC%20Graded%20Hall%20of%20Fame%20Basic%20S et/t206cobb.jpg

tcdyess

09-24-2009, 06:57 PM

highest grade...

Kawika

09-24-2009, 09:26 PM

Nice D304, Dan K. You could retire on its proceeds.

Cobb after the fight:
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/miscellanybaseball/websize/Cobb1.jpg

Some more Cobbies:
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/bbhofthefirstclass/websize/T206%20Cobb%20Greenie.jpg http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/bbhofthefirstclass/websize/01%20Cobb1.jpg

Billy Evans, "The Boy Umpire"

E93

09-24-2009, 10:22 PM

triwak

09-25-2009, 12:29 AM

all three "players":

rman444

09-25-2009, 12:52 AM

chiprop

09-25-2009, 03:10 AM

richard, you need a to buy the whole card next time

thekingofclout

09-25-2009, 03:33 AM

6490

deadballpaul

09-25-2009, 06:49 AM

6491

6492

6493

6494

Al C.risafulli

09-25-2009, 10:08 AM

Beautiful cards.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/Novocent/HJCobb.jpg

mightyq

09-25-2009, 11:01 AM

never get itred at looking at great cobb's, unreal d-304, hey heff tired of that 227 yet!! glad to help you out:D

these 2 are my favorites.

mybuddyinc

09-25-2009, 12:49 PM

............. Sorry ...................:rolleyes:

6506

calvindog

09-25-2009, 04:36 PM

Marty, those are great specimens.

And Al...it's time you gave up on that set and recognized that you will never finish it. And then sell me your card. :)

3-2-count

09-25-2009, 06:06 PM

Jeff cover your eyes. Oh wait, you have this one don't you? ;)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/andreatny/cobbypc796-3.jpg

wolfdogg

09-25-2009, 06:10 PM

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o313/wolfie70/t3cobby.jpg

Ladder7

09-25-2009, 06:18 PM

The guy was whacked for certain.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/E121Cobb-2.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/T202Cobb-1.jpg

calvindog

09-25-2009, 06:25 PM

Tony, yes, I've got that one. But am missing so many more...

Here's more favorites:

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2910087252/" title="1910 Orange Borders by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/2910087252_d0eefe8753_o.jpg" width="389" height="684" alt="1910 Orange Borders" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2910087502/" title="Max Stein Postcard 1909-16 PC758 by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3167/2910087502_181f47551c_o.jpg" width="500" height="925" alt="Max Stein Postcard 1909-16 PC758" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/2910095450/" title="1909 Topping & Co PC 773-1 by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/2910095450_7c09fca1cc_o.jpg" width="500" height="919" alt="1909 Topping & Co PC 773-1" /></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/3019102393/" title="1908 American League Publishing Company PC 770 by calvindog65, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/3019102393_a3ff2c0f8e_o.jpg" width="500" height="920" alt="1908 American League Publishing Company PC 770" /></a>

Rob D.

09-25-2009, 07:52 PM

I love that American League Pubishing Co.

Absoutely great-looking pose (x 2!). Super tough, too.

And that one's a beauty.

Awesome!

Wow.

Rob D.

09-25-2009, 08:07 PM

These aren't in the same universe as that American League Publishing Co. (I mean, come on, who wouldn't want to own that card?), but I don't think they've been posted yet:

jcmtiger

09-25-2009, 09:13 PM

I have shown most of my Cobb's, but here is one. By the way Ty was not mean all the time, he gave to many charities and hospitals, but he did like to fight.:)

Joe

chiprop

09-25-2009, 09:18 PM

jupin11

09-26-2009, 12:00 AM

Here are a few.

rman444

09-26-2009, 12:08 AM

wow! the big guns are coming out!

chiprop

09-26-2009, 05:36 AM

Rmann, Jeff... I know you have a few more tricks up your sleeve. Bring the noise!

triwak

09-26-2009, 08:15 AM

Man, I LOVE that Topping and Co. dealy! I want to go to there.

calvindog

09-26-2009, 08:20 AM

I just noticed that the picture used in the 1910 PC 796 and 1922 E121 is the same. Pretty long gap for two cards.

3-2-count

09-26-2009, 08:33 AM

Jeff, it's also the same image used on the 1914-15 Crackerjack pose. Being a CJ collector this is what appealed to me most about this PC.

rman444

09-26-2009, 09:00 AM

Noise?

<img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/prewar/Cabinets%20and%20Large%20Items/1911JonesKeyserArrasTyCobbFront.jpg">

barrysloate

09-26-2009, 09:10 AM

That is one heck of a nice Cobb!

Bicem

09-26-2009, 12:54 PM

http://photos.imageevent.com/bicem/w601sportinglifepostcards/AL-Detroit.jpg

chaddurbin

09-26-2009, 05:47 PM

cue richard serving up the d380 bread on that plate!!!

wow! the big guns are coming out!

doug.goodman

09-26-2009, 06:01 PM

Four different Baseball Magazine supplements (sorry that the second one is of such terrible quality), and a Police Gazette supplement.

benchod

09-26-2009, 06:07 PM

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6580&stc=1&d=1254009950

toppcat

09-26-2009, 06:15 PM

I'll leave the Red Cobb to Ted:

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/cobbbaton.jpg

rman444

09-26-2009, 09:55 PM

Nobody likes these ugly black and white cards . . .

<img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/prewar/D%20cards/clementcobbfront.jpg">

jcmtiger

09-26-2009, 11:17 PM

Ok, here are a couple of more .

E93

09-27-2009, 10:21 PM

Dustanh1

09-27-2009, 11:51 PM

Here's the only thing I haven't seen yet in this thread, an auto:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Dustanh1/T206/CobbCheck.jpg

Here are my T206's, and I also have the National Police Gazette insert posted a few posts up, but no picture of it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Dustanh1/T206/Cobbbaton.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/Dustanh1/T206/cobbred.jpg

insidethewrapper

09-28-2009, 08:45 AM

Here's a 1907 Wolverine News Co Postcard and 1948 Topps Magic Photo

onlychild

09-28-2009, 08:35 PM

http://s915.photobucket.com/albums/ac351/oldtix/TYCOBBGAMECARD.jpg

This looks like a somewhat affordable Cobb. Does anyone know the estimated value?
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Leon

09-28-2009, 09:22 PM

here are a few....pardon the extra scan of Pennock.....

http://luckeycards.com/pt216cobby2.jpg

TristanWingfield

09-29-2009, 07:52 AM

I've never heard the story about Cobb fighting Evans. I'm bidding on the Cobb photos in tonight's Legendary auction, lots 1326 through 1409 make him appear like a friendly, easy going player. Did Cobb have some control over the media in those days?

The two glass negatives look familiar. Does anyone know if a card was printed from either of these images: (Links)
Lot 458 (http://www.legendaryauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=101463&searchby=4&searchvalue=458&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1)
Lot 462 (http://www.legendaryauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=101464&searchby=4&searchvalue=462&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1)

ElCabron

09-30-2009, 12:09 AM

This story only goes to show what a wuss Cobb was (apologies to Lichtman). A no-holds-barred, bare-knuckle brawl that lasts for 30 minutes??? With Cobb fighting like a wild man? Have you ever seen or been in a no-holds-barred, bare-knuckle brawl? They don't last 30 minutes. In fact, without PCP, they don't even last 3 minutes. Unless it's a battle between two 3rd-grade girls.

Ty Cobb: wild man fighter or 3rd-grade girl? One of baseball's great mysteries is finally solved!

-Ryan

henson1855

09-30-2009, 12:36 AM

a collage of cobb's cards

rman444

09-30-2009, 02:19 AM

Wow! That is impressive! How many of those are real?

Dustanh1

09-30-2009, 05:32 AM

I hope the answer is all of them. Amazing piece, real cards or not. I'd buy it if they were all reprints.

bijoem

09-30-2009, 06:07 AM

Richard.... your card is the ugliest. one of the ugliest I have ever seen.... ever.

http://www.internetville.com/images/albums/userpics/detroit1907.jpg

http://www.internetville.com/images/albums/userpics/1907_wolverineCobb.jpg

http://www.internetville.com/images/albums/userpics/e95_cobb.jpg

http://www.internetville.com/images/albums/userpics/1910_notebook_Cobb.jpg

Jim VB

09-30-2009, 06:37 AM

a collage of cobb's cards

Mike,

Very impressive. If those are all real, I know how you can handle all future legal bills (assuming, of course, you ever get in BIG legal trouble.)!

calvindog

09-30-2009, 08:02 AM

Hey Mike -- you need a lawyer? :)

Matt

09-30-2009, 08:03 AM

Fantastic display Mike! Are you only a Cobb collector or do you have incredible displays like that of other players?

Jim VB

09-30-2009, 08:05 AM

Hey Mike -- you need a lawyer? :)

Right on cue.

Wesley

09-30-2009, 08:33 AM

That is an incredible collage Mike. T206 Cobb back, D380 Clement Bread, Boston Garter, etc. all stored inside a picture frame.

Everyone should break their cards out of their SGC holders and display their cards in a frame for all their guests to enjoy.

rman444

09-30-2009, 10:33 AM

If that were a print I would buy a copy in a second! Simply beautiful!

If all of those are real, that has to be the #1 cobb collection hands down!

Bicem

09-30-2009, 11:23 AM

If all of those are real, that has to be the #1 cobb collection hands down!

agreed, can't think of one that would even be a close second.

henson1855

09-30-2009, 12:58 PM

these cobbs are reprints,i have been doing higher end displays for about 3 years,i have done most pre war players over that period. i am also a collector and have been for 30 years,and do own 27 of the 48 cobbs pictured.i found a niche were people who cannot afford the originals or would prefer not to have their expensive cards out in the open,like myself can have a way to display them on a wall and not have to worry about someone walking off with them.i know in my situation i am proud of my collection,but can only enjoy it so much as its locked away in a safety deposit box, just to ease any concerns am not one of those yahoos on ebay trying to pedal off fake cards,all of these reprints are printed on the front only then double matted and framed for display purposes.

rman444

09-30-2009, 01:08 PM

27 of the 48 is a tremendous accomplishment and is certainly a first class Cobb collection by any measurement. Can I ask what the dimensions of that framed piece are? Did you make that custom matte yourself?

Leon

09-30-2009, 01:09 PM

henson1855

09-30-2009, 01:23 PM

this piece is 43 1/2" x 36". the mats are all computer cut.

JoeyF

01-06-2012, 03:23 PM

And the E220 counterpart.....

what do you think this is worth?

christopher.herman

01-06-2012, 08:13 PM