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Matt
09-21-2009, 08:02 AM
Maybe I'm just suffering from not having morning coffee, but it seems eBay has done away with the categories in the sports card space and has vaporized the "pre-1930s" category. If anyone figures out a reasonable way to browse vintage card listings on eBay, please post it here.

leftygrove10
09-21-2009, 08:18 AM
I noticed the same thing this morning.... Hopefully it's a temporary problem, maybe just a "glitch" in their system...

Matt
09-21-2009, 08:30 AM
Brad - thanks for the confirmation. I'm afraid it's not a glitch as there are dozens of complaints on eBay's forums regarding the same issues with other categories. It's unfathomable to me that eBay makes these decisions not knowing that it will make using their site more difficult, so I must assume that they are aware of the issues but because controlling your search experience this way will allow them to guide you to results they want you to see, my guess is that they felt the change was important enough to force on the system, assuming that since they are, by far, the biggest game in town, people will suck it up.

thegashousegang
09-21-2009, 08:47 AM
I was doing some early morning searching, and tried refresh after refresh...thinking that maybe after 100, ebay would have regained some common sense. Not to be...

milkit1
09-21-2009, 08:50 AM
this could be a good thing for us deal searchers :)

Matt
09-21-2009, 08:55 AM
this could be a good thing for us deal searchers :)

Maybe for a few days until sellers realize that buyers can't find their listings and stop posting.

docpatlv
09-21-2009, 09:05 AM
Well that sucks...I just checked to see if it did the same thing when I ran that search and instead of searching "pre-1930s", it searches under "baseball" with 10,000+ baseball items. You should see some of the quality stuff listed under that search :rolleyes:. Jay Buhner autograph anyone? So much for a convenient filtering method to find the items you really seek.

My question is...why hasn't there been some kind of viable alternative developed to compete with e-bay? In almost all other aspects of commercial life there are multiple venues to choose from. Surely many sellers, fed up with e-bays idiotic changes would flock to a new site. So why do you think e-bay is still a "monopoly"? I know there have been some similar sites that have tried and failed, but with all the recent changes, don't you think now might be the time to try?

Mike

barrysloate
09-21-2009, 09:09 AM
Yep, pre-1930's is gone. In fact almost all subdivisions are gone.

I just went into the "sell" mode and started browing categories. After I hit "cards", it took me to the subcategory "baseball" and that's it, I had now chosen a category for selling. I wasn't asked if I wanted major or minor league baseball, whether I wanted pre-1930's or 1950's, or whether the card was SGC or PSA graded. Why would they take away categories? Wouldn't that make searching more onerous?

iggyman
09-21-2009, 09:26 AM
Maybe for a few days until sellers realize that buyers can't find their listings and stop posting.

I'll second that! I had planned on putting a bunch of cards on eBay starting today. With this category change.....it is not going to happen anytime soon. From a sellers perspective, today is not a great day to be running any auctions. Argh! What the frickin' frack!!!

If I'm understanding the changes right, we now only have one GIANT baseball category. That's a fantastic idea but a bit short-sighted. Why stop there. Lets have one giant category for all eBay sellers! That way, we can rekindle the feeling of the old fashion flea market. Imagine browsing through the eBay maze looking for your favorite pre war card (soft music playing in the background), when all of a sudden a Manny Ramirez beanie baby catches your eye..... Yep, eBay stock is going to go thru the roof!@#!

<img src="http://app4.sellersourcebook.com/users/113197/manny.jpg">

Lovely Day...

D. Bergin
09-21-2009, 09:29 AM
Best Match baby! Best Match!


Now Ebay can tell YOU, what's best for you. ;)

D. Bergin
09-21-2009, 09:31 AM
New category breakdown from Ebay:


Stuff

More Stuff

Types of Peanut Butter

Misc. Stuff


:eek:

Jim VB
09-21-2009, 09:37 AM
Here's one work-around (not ideal, but what else is new):

Click:
Categories
Sports Memorabilia, Cards & Fan Shop
Baseball
Original
Year (A drop down menue appears listing individual years)
Choose More

Another menu pops up allowing you to select as many different years as you'd like to see. You can select every year from 1930 back.

Best I can see on short notice.

Frank A
09-21-2009, 09:37 AM
I have some items on there now and I am not very happy with this. I may just stop all my auctions.

Matt
09-21-2009, 09:41 AM
Here's one work-around (not ideal, but what else is new):

Click:
Categories
Sports Memorabilia, Cards & Fan Shop
Baseball
Original
Year (A drop down menue appears listing individual years)
Choose More

Another menu pops up allowing you to select as many different years as you'd like to see. You can select every year from 1930 back.

Best I can see on short notice.

Jim - I saw that as well, but as the majority of listings are in the "undefined" category for "year" you'd be missing a huge chunk of listings if you used that to browse.

Jim VB
09-21-2009, 09:45 AM
Jim - I saw that as well, but as the majority of listings are in the "undefined" category for "year" you'd be missing a huge chunk of listings if you used that to browse.

What??? Sellers would need to list the year of the card in the description??? Damn them!


;)

T206.org
09-21-2009, 09:45 AM
Damn, eBay.

The PreWarAuctions.com homepage is "broken" now, with all sorts of modern stuff showing up (it was showing pre-1930s before). Maybe I'll get rid of it then...

The other categories still work fine though. There is also a link at the bottom of each results page that will take you to eBay to see all of the results since the output is limited to 200 results max.

Browse by Set, T206 for example:
http://www.prewarauctions.com/baseball-cards/tobacco/t206-white-borders/

Ladder7
09-21-2009, 09:55 AM
Good news. Help is just a phonecall away.,
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t278/JamesInOKC/ME%20Page/call_ebay_now.jpg

painthistorian
09-21-2009, 10:15 AM
this one is sure to cripple all sellers, yesterday will be our last run of e bay material unless they address this absolute stupidity.

This is a serious issue and as a buyer & seller, it will be difficult to reach targeted customers, the search is absolutely impossible using best match, so the material on e bay will be diluted again, this affects everyone..Everyone needs to call e bay..here is the #
1-866-442-3229

Bombard them with calls, this affects EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good guys, great guys, auction houses, moral guys, immoral guys, ladies and gentleman etc...this is the worst decision yet from e bay and this filters down to everyone as quality sellers on e bay significantly contribute to collectors in finding material and auction houses will be affected also.

slantycouch
09-21-2009, 10:22 AM
I was doing some early morning searching, and tried refresh after refresh...thinking that maybe after 100, ebay would have regained some common sense. Not to be...

I think you could refresh all day and find that eBay still has no common sense.

Leon
09-21-2009, 10:24 AM
this one is sure to cripple all sellers, yesterday will be our last run of e bay material unless they address this absolute stupidity.

This is a serious issue and as a buyer & seller, it will be difficult to reach targeted customers, the search is absolutely impossible using best match, so the material on e bay will be diluted again, this affects everyone..Everyone needs to call e bay..here is the #
1-866-442-3229

Bombard them with calls, this affects EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good guys, great guys, auction houses, moral guys, immoral guys, ladies and gentleman etc...this is the worst decision yet from e bay and this filters down to everyone as quality sellers on e bay significantly contribute to collectors in finding material and auction houses will be affected also.

Larry- while I am probably not going to take the time to call, since I doubt ebay will listen, I think this might be their worst decision yet.

calvindog
09-21-2009, 10:34 AM
This is obviously a mistake -- auctions seem to be gone as well.

Jim VB
09-21-2009, 10:37 AM
According to one poster on the Ebay boards, Ebay is saying this is a "bug" in their system.

D. Bergin
09-21-2009, 10:37 AM
You guys don't understand. Ebay polled the community and this is what they asked for.

At least that's what it says in the e-mail I got from ebay titled "You asked for it!"

calvindog
09-21-2009, 10:41 AM
There is an ebay email that claims users did not want there to be a breakdown by date of listed baseball cards? What could possibly be the advantage of that? Can't be. If this is a permanent change no one will ever list a vintage card on ebay again.

Jim VB
09-21-2009, 10:43 AM
You guys don't understand. Ebay polled the community and this is what they asked for.

At least that's what it says in the e-mail I got from ebay titled "You asked for it!"

Please show that email. Thanks.

D. Bergin
09-21-2009, 10:44 AM
There is an ebay email that claims users did not want there to be a breakdown by date of listed baseball cards? What could possibly be the advantage of that? Can't be. If this is a permanent change no one will ever list a vintage card on ebay again.


I was joking. :D


Or I could have been prophesying...........we shall see. :eek:

Jay Wolt
09-21-2009, 11:08 AM
...and tomorrow's the day that every eBay seller must have their auctions in tow
stating what their handling time is as well as if refunds are accepted or not.
If both aren't taken care of, eBay will eliminate them.
Nice way to add revenue...just kill a % of the Buy It Now's that are in place.
Many sellers have changed the auctions & Buy It Now's, though I'm sure a good % has not
and will probably not re-list them

iggyman
09-21-2009, 11:15 AM
According to one poster on the Ebay boards, Ebay is saying this is a "bug" in their system.



Not a "bug", this a well thought-out business decision.... Apparently, a few power sellers complained (during the town hall meetings) that with sooooo many categories, sellers sometimes have to spend extra $$$ to have the same item appear in more than one category. Therefore, one can reasonably conclude that ebay sales are going down because they have "too many categories". Thus, you end-up with a great idea from a bunch of great guys! You make the sellers happy and at the same time, you make it easier on the buyer when searching (best match). Yep, somebody got a big promotion with this idea.

Here is a link to the categories that have been changed. Plus a link announcing the changes (albiet, it's for ebay.UK....but they were once Americans):

http://pages.ebay.com/CategoryChanges/

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/uk/200909211156112.html

Lovely Day...

Jim VB
09-21-2009, 11:29 AM
Thanks iggy. Stupidity abounds on the west coast, I guess.

botn
09-21-2009, 11:33 AM
Gonna make browsing impossible. Great way to alienate sports cards sellers and buyers.

The B/S/T is gonna be working overtime. Leon, start charging for listings and take this thing public!!!!

timzcardz
09-21-2009, 11:35 AM
On a bright note, etopps still has its own category. :D

1966CUDA
09-21-2009, 11:40 AM
Just got off of a phone call to them (866)643-3720. They said I was the 1st complaint they had heard about this! They said they would look into it and call me back. I told them to search my completed auctions and look at what category they are listed in...all of them say "listed category:_______(blank)...no categories for the completed auctions!!! And all my running auctions have defaulted to category: Baseball cards!!! I told them if this is a permanant change it is the worst thing they could have done for this sect. of Ebay users....I am sure nothing will be done but she did say to have anyone I know who is upset with this to call Ebay and let them know.

-Claude

greenmonster66
09-21-2009, 11:51 AM
Yeah I just noticed this! Hopefully this is just a temporary thing and fixed sometime soon!

jbsports33
09-21-2009, 11:53 AM
I am certainly disappointed in the change, but there are ways to create your own searches. Hopefully there will be enough complaints and they will change it back, if not I will just use some of the searches I have had setup for years and make adjustments.

Jimmy

tbob
09-21-2009, 11:59 AM
I did my part, sending an email to eBay. let's everyone get off their butts and do the same.
I tried entering "t210" in the search box on the new baseball card page and one listing came up. I know this is wrong as I am bidding on several now but just one BIN came up. I know there are many BINs which didn't and no auctions came up. :mad:

tbob
09-21-2009, 12:01 PM
http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ContactUsNextGen&Query=suggestions

Leon
09-21-2009, 12:02 PM
Gonna make browsing impossible. Great way to alienate sports cards sellers and buyers.

The B/S/T is gonna be working overtime. Leon, start charging for listings and take this thing public!!!!

Great suggestion Greg.
First of all I am adamantly opposed to charging anything for what we do on the board today. That being said I have spoken, in the last few years and currently, with 3 s/w developers about running an auction, similar to ebay, for the board. Most likely it would be free for some time....until it got to a critical mass, and then there would possibly be a small fee......

Our free rinky dink auction section would still be there. I don't want to change anything. I only want to (maybe, and it's still a big maybe) add another feature......I am hopeful on having more conversations about it today. I do think we have the right traffic for sportscards.......I definitely understand the value equation for buyers and sellers.....I have been on ebay for over 10 yrs and have some experience with other hobby venues too......we shall see. If there is enough support it might happen.

botn
09-21-2009, 12:04 PM
Bob,

I just did a search for T210 and came up with 18 listings. How a seller types their title will determine if your search is going to be successful and pick up what you are looking for. So now you will have to search T 210, T210 and Old Mill to see that you got them all.

Greg

36GoudeyMan
09-21-2009, 12:09 PM
I just hung up with eBay reps (after 1 hour and 7 minutes)...

This is a planned change, not a bug. EBay did this to make browsing "more convenient" after doing "extensive research." This was "not done because of any input from our Powersellers."

There is a bug out there which has put many, many listings in NO CATEGORY whatsoever, including 3 of mine, and many others you can only find by manually searching for specific card type ("1952 Topps," "1989 Bowman," but not otherwise, since they do no show up in the sole remaining category of "Cards-Baseball."

There was absolutely no interest on either the line-person nor her supervisor (after a long line of bullsh*t about how they have to investigate what I'm saying, etc.) of how this screws me, my friends, my sellers, my buyers, no one. Period. None.

I am supposed to get an email (within 24 hours) that explains the reason for the changes, the benefits, etc. I'll post that drivel when it arrives.

deadballera
09-21-2009, 12:22 PM
I sent my email to eBay giving my two-cents !

alanu
09-21-2009, 12:25 PM
The listings I had for sale under the "pre 1930" category now don't have a category attached to them at all. The one's without bids I was able to revise, but the other one's can't be revised and now are sitting out there without a category.

I hate to end listings early that have bids, but might have to in this case.

-Alan

D. Bergin
09-21-2009, 12:27 PM
I just hung up with eBay reps (after 1 hour and 7 minutes)...

This is a planned change, not a bug. EBay did this to make browsing "more convenient" after doing "extensive research." This was "not done because of any input from our Powersellers."

There is a bug out there which has put many, many listings in NO CATEGORY whatsoever, including 3 of mine, and many others you can only find by manually searching for specific card type ("1952 Topps," "1989 Bowman," but not otherwise, since they do no show up in the sole remaining category of "Cards-Baseball."

There was absolutely no interest on either the line-person nor her supervisor (after a long line of bullsh*t about how they have to investigate what I'm saying, etc.) of how this screws me, my friends, my sellers, my buyers, no one. Period. None.

I am supposed to get an email (within 24 hours) that explains the reason for the changes, the benefits, etc. I'll post that drivel when it arrives.



I will be very disappointed if nothing in this pending e-mail says "You asked for it, now here it is!"

;)

timzcardz
09-21-2009, 12:33 PM
I sent an email to auctionbytes. We'll see if they talk to ebay and report on it on their site.

Frank A
09-21-2009, 12:35 PM
Just called EBAY, what a waste of tome. After explaining to them whats happened they tell me to file a written report of whats happening. I also have cards listed. If this is not fixed sometime today I will have to remove them, if I can figure out how. What a joke. Frank A

GrayGhost
09-21-2009, 12:36 PM
For my small stuff that I sell, Id rather sell to guys on here, who I know are into sports. Plus, there isnt the BS stuff ebay is doign these days.

Of course, I understand that a "wider range" of appeal is needed on big ticket items too, as not everyone who collects cards and memorabilia belongs to Net54, tho they should, as its the best.;) Also, the pile of non sports paper and oddball I have gets bigger and bigger if I dont go to ebay. ha.

tonyo
09-21-2009, 12:44 PM
I usually search "all categories" anyway.

Although just this morning, I wanted to search 1950 bowman football and wanted to exclude baseball, but couldn't figure out how to search in the "football" category.

Unsophisticated eBayer I guess.

By the way Claude, thanks for buying that Reggie Booklet from me!

1966CUDA
09-21-2009, 12:50 PM
Yea, thanksTony...thought I'd try and put that set together. Looks like it can get done without costing much...and SGC grades them if I want to go that route.

mintacular
09-21-2009, 12:53 PM
Do they not realize the millions of "junk" sports cards from the 80s-90s are now going to waterdown every other search? I was told that my FVF would be returned, whoopee! I am going to demand that my current auctions should be be paid out at HBV since this change was implemented midstream and I wouldn't have listed the cards as such if I knew they were going to be lost in a cesspool of 1990 Fleer garbage, etc.

Also, good luck if you have a mixed lot of some valuable stuff as they will be damn near impossible to find.

alanu
09-21-2009, 12:57 PM
Just sent my compaint to ebay... not too optimistic about them changing it back though.

This will just lead to the continuation of more BIN's and less auctions.

marvjung
09-21-2009, 01:02 PM
I saw this too and at first I thought my eye's were bugging on me - Mike Schmidt in the Pre-30's section? WTH??!

Alas, apparently this is how it's suppose to be? :mad:

My saved search of "T206" still yields correctly, but the other searches do not. I guess technically, NOW would be a good time to BUY (because who's going to go through 125K listings to find a particular card) but it's sure as heck NOT a good time to sell.:(

sportscardtheory
09-21-2009, 01:29 PM
I sent my email to eBay giving my two-cents !

I'm sure they will find a way for you to give them more than 2 cents.

alanu
09-21-2009, 01:33 PM
Here's the reply I received from Ebay:

Dear Alan,

Thanks for taking the time to write to us.

We are aware of an issue with being unable to narrow down the search
results within Baseball Cards. This is not a permanent change and we
are working to resolve it as quickly as possible.

There are many changes in progress as part of the announced final seller
release of the year.
(http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200907270812462.html). These changes will
be rolling out during this week and are not yet complete.

As part of this release, the categories within Sports Trading Cards are
changing to the simplified set of sports that you see here:
http://sports-cards.shop.ebay.com/Cards-/212/i.html?_npmv=3

Previously, there was a duplication between the categories (eg
Baseball-MLB > Singles (Pre-1930) > Graded etc) and the Item Specifics
(Sport, Year, Graded, etc), which made it confusing on which to use to
narrow down the search results. Once you browsed to the Singles
(Pre-1930) category, you were still presented with the Year Item
Specifics. We are removing this duplication in favor of the more
versatile Item Specifics.

Prior announcements about these changes can be found at the following
links.

http://pages.ebay.com/sell/July2009Update/Categories/index.html
http://pages.ebay.com/sell/itemspecs.html
http://pages.ebay.com/categorychanges/sportscards.html

When categories are changed, there is a reindexing of the items that
must occur, and this can take up to several days to complete. Once
complete, your items should be showing in the category:
Sports Mem, Card & Fan Shop > Cards > Baseball (category 213). Until
then, your items should still be found in all relevant title searches.

In addition to the previously available search refinements of Product,
Sport, Year, Card Manufacturer, Card Attributes and Grading information,
we will be adding the ability to refine search results by both Team and
Player where applicable.

Once again our apologies for this issue and we ask for your patience as
we work to resolve it.

Sincerely,
Mahina
eBay Classification Team

Matt
09-21-2009, 01:47 PM
That is not encouraging; looks like the change to one big Baseball Cards category is permanent.

FrankWakefield
09-21-2009, 01:55 PM
I don't see US ever "fixing" eBay from the outside.


If anything is ever to be done, it would be because each of us buys some stock in eBay (instead of buying a few cards), the together see if we could elect one of us to their board of directors.

It looks to me like there are 13 directors. The stock doesn't pay dividends. I doubt that enough of us would get enough stock to make a difference... but that still seems to me the way to get something done.

Potomac Yank
09-21-2009, 02:14 PM
They are constantly going against all logic.

Their slogan, "We're working to make eBay easier to use." --- What a joke.

If it isn't broken, don't fix it!

tbob
09-21-2009, 02:23 PM
Alan- I just got the identical email from "Mahina" at ebay......

painthistorian
09-21-2009, 02:38 PM
We do a decent business w/ E bay-they are unresponsive and brain dead.

unfortunately, this is the line drawn in the sand......no more selling on e bay until the system is fixed........everyone should feel this way........
if you want to search thru tens of thousands of cards, you may get lucky but since e bay has no idea how bad they made this change for everyone in our industry, the only way to find items thru search is EXACT searches such as T206, T 206, piedmont, Cobb etc. and there will be every Ty Cobb card current or old when you search for Ty Cobb including your favorite reprints, magazine cutouts, Ty Cobb Toilet paper etc....

nothing that e bay has done last year is better than it was before they ruined it but this is a major blow to all of us that tried to run a good vintage card auction site w/ some quality items, what a shame.

EVERYONE needs to bombard e bay w/ calls, message etc. o/w this will never be changed back.

Zach Wheat
09-21-2009, 02:57 PM
Apparently, this may be start of eBay's switch to a new search platform and the manner in which select items are identified. It appears they are trying to appease the larger sellers. I hate to selectively quote from a source, but I have copied some of the key paragraphs from Barron's (a financial publication) regarding eBay's switch. Barrons' has had several articles on eBay recently, one of which dealt with the switch to a new "search" platform and another on the drive to focus on larger sellers and retailers.

Here is the link for thos so inclined to read the entire article:
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB122125823888930015.html

If you Google Barron's & eBay the results will bring up links to the other articles.

Here is a summary of the one regarding the new search platform:
============
The company already faces a variety of headwinds: Many sellers are irritated about recent changes eBay (ticker: EBAY) made in its fee structures. The softening consumer economy is not helping matters. And with well over half of its revenue coming from outside the U.S., its financial results will be hurt by the recent strengthening of the U.S. dollar......


....Blair and Hunter also say eBay is close to rolling out a new search platform that it has been testing for some time. They see risks if it isn't successful: "The ability to search and find an item with accuracy is a key factor in eBay's success and any changes that negatively impact the effectiveness of search would create a significant problem for the company." EBay shares are down approximately 30% this year, trading near their lowest level in five years.

egbeachley
09-21-2009, 03:30 PM
"The ability to search and find an item with accuracy is a key factor in eBay's success and any changes that negatively impact the effectiveness of search would create a significant problem for the company." .

When has anyone has trouble with accurate searches? It brings up the listings with the words you ask for?

gabrinus
09-21-2009, 03:40 PM
I just sent an email to them explaining(hopefully) how this will lead to lost revenue. Hopefully every member on this board will do the same. There are quite a few big players on this board. Maybe this will wake them up.

BobbyVCP
09-21-2009, 04:31 PM
What a mess eBay has created for everyone, we are scrambling to fix our feeds we get from them to add their listings to VCP.

To make life easier for everyone we are going to add a section that will make it so you can search for the eBay listings we are tracking. Hope to have it available to you very shortly. Of course we only cover graded cards.

Rob D.
09-21-2009, 04:44 PM
eBay: the ultimate game of hide-and-seek.

Golly.

Zach Wheat
09-21-2009, 05:14 PM
When has anyone has trouble with accurate searches? It brings up the listings with the words you ask for?

Egbeachley,

I think they are referring to bringing up similar and related items. The focus seems to be getting more clicks and traffic to the large high volume sellers and retailers on eBay. One of the other articles in Barron's identified such a strategic shift in their business model.

danmckee
09-21-2009, 06:00 PM
WOW! So much for me policing the category for fraud and doctored fakes!! I can't go through 400K items!! Scumbags, thieves, and bottom feeders, the road is now WIDE OPEN!!! After all of the clean up efforts we had the pre-1930 and 1930s categories fairly legit and free from fraud.

I just don't get it. Have to take my auctions down tonight or give stuff away.

Truly a shame.

Frank A
09-21-2009, 06:00 PM
Whats a real problem' is someone who wants to list a real oddball item. There is no way a person will ever find it unless he spends all day listing every type of card. Talk about someone at EBAY being really stupid!!!!!!!!!! This is going to cost them a lot of money in the long run.

D. Bergin
09-21-2009, 06:22 PM
I just hung up with eBay reps (after 1 hour and 7 minutes)...

This is a planned change, not a bug. EBay did this to make browsing "more convenient" after doing "extensive research." This was "not done because of any input from our Powersellers."




Damn, the irony was lost on me the first time around.

They actually say "You didn't ask for it, but we did it anyways!"

LOL!!!


:(

D. Bergin
09-21-2009, 06:25 PM
Jeez, now my daily search of Donruss Rated Rookie cards is going to be diluted with hundreds of T206's, Ramly's and Boston Garter listings.

:mad:

Rob D.
09-21-2009, 06:36 PM
Damn, the irony was lost on me the first time around.

They actually say "You didn't ask for it, but we did it anyways!"

LOL!!!


:(

Taking out of the equation the fact that this is a stupid decision by eBay, it's not unusual at all that the company didn't ask for customers' input.

The Big 3 never polled all of the owners of their cars before working on designs for the new model year. Microsoft doesn't send e-mails to all of the owners of its current version of Windows before working on the next one. Wendy's didn't call me before revamping its value menu.

Yes, bad decision by eBay. No, not unusual that a major company decided on its own to implement a change.

toppcat
09-21-2009, 06:57 PM
What a revolting development this is......

Matt
09-21-2009, 07:05 PM
What a revolting development this is......

Everyone so negative; this is a good thing.
eBay has been making bad changes (forcing Paypal, requiring sellers eat insurance, etc.) for well over a year but no other site has been able to compete because eBay still had enough devotees. If this forces enough people off eBay to populate a viable alternative that is cheaper then eBay, we'll all win. Say all of our emails to eBay get answered and they revert the categories - we still have to live with all the other bad eBay decisions.

Buythatcard
09-21-2009, 07:10 PM
Wow, this is a real screwup. While listing my items on eBay tonight, the Blackthorne software could not find any of my categories. Instead it chose Baseball as the category.
I sent in my 2 cents to eBay via email and also included a link to this thread so that maybe someone over there would take the time out and read what some of us are saying.

Rich Klein
09-21-2009, 07:13 PM
Ebay has totally forgotten what made them successful. And with all the people struggling in today's world (Unemployment truly around 15 percent counting people NOT counted by our gov't); if EBay would go back to what it was circa 1998; they would recieve more items to sell and have even more customers.

That includes having those ridiculous pay pal only rules. What is wrong with a check or money order (Esp a bank money order; which at my bank costs me NOTHING and would be cashable immediately.

Rich

Exhibitman
09-21-2009, 07:23 PM
This is soooo dum [sic]. I mean, having one category for boxing cards is fine (there were only two anyway) but not for sports with much greater followings. I agree that their prior searches were sloppy but that means clean them up not scrap the categories entirely.

What amazes me is how the changes will kill off browsing. Don't they realize how important it is not to have to search a category?

calvindog
09-21-2009, 07:30 PM
What amazes me is how the changes will kill off browsing. Don't they realize how important it is not to have to search a category?

I think this is the end of vintage cards being listed on ebay. Nearly every day or so I'd browse through the pre-1930s section and inevitably I would pick up a card I just liked even if it weren't of one of the players I normally collect. That is now impossible. Why then would anyone list a valuable card on ebay knowing that a large part of your targeted audience will miss it?

19cbb
09-21-2009, 08:18 PM
What a piece of crap!

Anyone knows if this type of 'simplification measure' was taken on other collectibles categories?

I saw this today under the ebay system announcements board... Maybe golf cart owners are pissed off right now.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7895/ebaykn.jpg

Potomac Yank
09-21-2009, 08:28 PM
There is some one at eBay that has a death wish for eBay.

buymycards
09-21-2009, 08:33 PM
I just got off of the phone with an ebay customer rep. I complained about the search feature, and the fact that it will take more time to list items. The 400+ items that I have listed are pretty much worthless with the category search function taken away. I can't see how these changes will benefit anyone.

Rick

Potomac Yank
09-21-2009, 08:39 PM
Their slogan.

What a joke!

danmckee
09-21-2009, 08:46 PM
We have to remember that in the scheme of things, baseball cards is a very minimal category. Compared to electronics and music and books. AMAZONBAY!!!!

GoldenAge50s
09-21-2009, 09:03 PM
I have 2 listings up for Pawtucket Red Sox cards. Now they are just Cards-Baseball---No Minor Lg or anything!---just lumped into the mix!

What a crock!

mintacular
09-21-2009, 09:28 PM
I sold a '53 Topps lot of (16) w/a Spahn (granted they were in Fair shape) for $16! Normally, they would have sold for atleast $30. I will not be honoring this sale and will take a neg. if need be. I have changed all my other auctions starting price and would recommend others do so before a bid comes in.

Normally, at this time of the night, I would browse a couple of my favorite categories, place a few bids, win a card or two. Now, not going to happen, not just b/c I'm STEAMED but mostly b/c the cards just aren't accessible and I hate wading thru modern junk.

BTW--this is all intentional. They want to kill auctions and small/midlevel sellers, this will help them do so very quickley. I will not be listing anymore the way/volume I had been planning on.

Wite3
09-21-2009, 09:53 PM
Horrible...try to search t206 next year with the new topps issue. Or Allen and Ginter or Goudey....all you get is a bunch of new stuff with a vintage issue every 30th listing. I sent my email...

Joshua

painthistorian
09-21-2009, 10:15 PM
On the phone again w/ ebay this time a supervisor was more open to reason and will try to push this up higher, they are getting a lot of calls regarding this subject, EVERYONE! keep calling!...nothing will get done unless everyone bombards these guys with complaints...this is the single worst change e bay has done ever and this one, i am calling every day, 7 X a day for however long it takes to overturn this stupidity, they never forget how ridiculous this is...this is a plea to all that want to see this reversed, CALL E BAY- 1-866-442-3229...hit -0-)- several times if you do not have a pin #, eventually a live operator will ask you for your user ID, then bombard them...

Guys with LOTS OF FEEDBACK & OR LARGE SALES VOLUME- time to PRESS BUTTONS, smaller guys, we need you too!

Thank You......Larry

scottglevy
09-21-2009, 11:23 PM
I happen to know the guy that started iOffer ... I just wish they could gain a little more traction in the collectibles market.

paul
09-21-2009, 11:49 PM
This is beyond unbelievable. It does not make browsing for prewar cards more difficult. It makes it impossible. There are literally 200,000 "baseball cards" on ebay now. I do not have the time or patience to browse through 200,000 cards, mostly post-2000 to find the prewar cards I'm looking for. And I can't even imagine someone looking for post-2000 cards has the stomach to wade through everything else.

I've been on ebay since 1998, very actively buying. No more. And not because I'm mad. It's just impractical now. It's like going to a thousand flea markets and hoping that you'll find what you want.

I am also cancelling all my current auctions on ebay. Again, not because I'm mad. I just can't expect to get anything close to the value of my cards. Who the hell is going to find them unless they do a search for the specific card I'm selling? This is, pardon my French, totally f'd up. I cannot imagine that ebay will last more than a month with this system. At least not for sportscards. Maybe buyers of golf carts prefer one category.

paul
09-22-2009, 12:14 AM
Well, I just cancelled my auctions. I only had two running. Here is the message I sent to most of my bidders (slightly different for the other card). I couldn't send it to all of the bidders since ebay has a limit of 5 messages per day that you can send to your bidders. (Who knew?) So they'll get the message tomorrow. What a bunch of crap.

Dear Bidder,

Thank you for bidding on my E95 Mathewson. I apologize, but I am cancelling all of my ebay auctions. The reason for this is that ebay has complete changed the organization of its entire websites. Effective today, ALL BASEBALL CARDS ARE NOW LUMPED TOGETHER IN A SINGLE CATEGORY OF 200,000 CARDS! As a result, collectors of pre-war baseball cards will not be able to find my card unless they are willing to wade through 200,000 cards. I had no idea this change was coming, and never would have listed my card if I knew that my card would not be targeted specifically to likely buyers. That's why I picked the "pre-1930" baseball card category -- a category that has now disappeared.

Again, I apologize for the inconvenience. You can reach me at pstewart@kmob.com. Thank you for understanding.

Paul

caramelcard
09-22-2009, 12:17 AM
Just called ebay as well.

They said that this is their new policy. I can no longer sell cards on ebay after this change.

What a bunch of douchebags.

Rob

painthistorian
09-22-2009, 12:28 AM
On the PSA community board, a few posted that we are antiquated on the way we search for items(by category or graded/non graded)...what they and e bay fail to realize is that most of the collectors that buy vintage cards(pre 1970) do not want to waste time filtering thru all the shiny stuff, reprints, magazine cutouts and even many do not want 1960's and 1970's cards which are abundant compared to pre war cards and probably those shiny guys really do not want to see prewar cards in their searches. It is true if you want a specific card with specific tags such as 1933 Goudey Ruth, you can search that way but so many of us may bid on other 1930's cards because they are all in line 1930-1939 category....Many only want graded, many only want non graded but at least there was a separation that was distinctive, now you have to search for cards with 200,000 related items, have fun!

This probably does not have an answer unless everyone that buys and sells no matter how large or small calls ebay and lets them know that we do not want to eliminate the category search and refuse to do anymore transactions on e bay.

Frequency and #'s are the only thing they might understand......do not get discouraged, call your friends and tell them, keep calling e bay....

Vintagedegu
09-22-2009, 12:32 AM
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ncinin
09-22-2009, 12:57 AM
I have a question concerning the new EBAY category changes.

First of all, please understand I am not saying I support the new category changes and am not looking for an argument. While these changes are not optimal I do not see where one would quit selling on EBAY.

I buy and sell on EBAY. When I am looking to buy cards I don't go on a blind search for cards. Do most people blindly search for baseball cards on EBAY where they have no focus of what they are looking for?

For example I look for graded 1960's, 1950's, Play Ball, Goudey, etc. I just performed EBAY searches for 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth, 1933 Goudey Ott, 1933 Goudey PSA & 1915 Cracker Jack. Granted reprints popped up as well, but many did before as sellers of reprints put them in category of original cards.

Take the E95 Mathewson in an earlier post for example. If someone is seriously interested in buying a E95 Matty, they would search for E95 Mathewson or E95 (maybe they are working on a set). I just searched for E95 and clicked on cards and see 43 cards available for sale from that set.

I just don't see buyers in the past blindly searching pre-1930 baseball cards and seeing a E95 Mathewson and having an epiphany that they need a E95 Matty and placing a high bid on the card or outright purchasing it.

The same with 1950's & 60's cards. I would think most people would search for 1955 Topps or 1955 Topps PSA or some similar search.

I see where doing general searches for cards trying to find cards selling too cheaply, etc would be a problem or if you sold lots that contained multiple years, etc.

I am for leaving good enough alone, but on the other hand I do not see these changes (if they indeed permanent) killing one's ability to sell cards on EBAY.

What am I missing?.

D. Bergin
09-22-2009, 01:14 AM
I have a question concerning the new EBAY category changes.

First of all, please understand I am not saying I support the new category changes and am not looking for an argument. While these changes are not optimal I do not see where one would quit selling on EBAY.

I buy and sell on EBAY. When I am looking to buy cards I don't go on a blind search for cards. Do most people blindly search for baseball cards on EBAY where they have no focus of what they are looking for?

For example I look for graded 1960's, 1950's, Play Ball, Goudey, etc. I just performed EBAY searches for 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth, 1933 Goudey Ott, 1933 Goudey PSA & 1915 Cracker Jack. Granted reprints popped up as well, but many did before as sellers of reprints put them in category of original cards.

Take the E95 Mathewson in an earlier post for example. If someone is seriously interested in buying a E95 Matty, they would search for E95 Mathewson or E95 (maybe they are working on a set). I just searched for E95 and clicked on cards and see 43 cards available for sale from that set.

I just don't see buyers in the past blindly searching pre-1930 baseball cards and seeing a E95 Mathewson and having an epiphany that they need a E95 Matty and placing a high bid on the card or outright purchasing it.

The same with 1950's & 60's cards. I would think most people would search for 1955 Topps or 1955 Topps PSA or some similar search.

I see where doing general searches for cards trying to find cards selling too cheaply, etc would be a problem or if you sold lots that contained multiple years, etc.

I am for leaving good enough alone, but on the other hand I do not see these changes (if they indeed permanent) killing one's ability to sell cards on EBAY.

What am I missing?.


Bottom line, it leads to fewer hits and fewer eyes on your auction. Most buys on Ebay are impulse buys.

Anybody who has sold on Ebay for any amount of time knows it only takes two interested bidders to drive an item up to an acceptable level. Take out the possibility of even one less possible bidder seeing your auction and I could see how this would scare a lot of sellers.

paul
09-22-2009, 02:37 AM
There are a few cards that I specifically search for on ebay. But I find most of the cards I buy by browsing a category, usually pre-1930. I think a lot of people do the same thing. That was one of the great advantages of ebay. Sellers could target buyers looking for a specific type of thing, and buyers could look at only those specific things.

My E95 Matty is a great example of precisely the kind of card that would never be found through a search. Most E95 Mattys are very expensive. So a lot of people who don't have a lot of money would never bother to search for one. They will spend their time looking for Goudey Hubbells or T206 Crawfords. They just assume they can't afford an E95 Matty. But mine is a PSA1, and someone who likes old cards might decide to give it a shot if they are browsing the pre-1930 category.

Also, a lot of people buy a card because they have some vague interest in it but only want it if it's a good deal. I do that a lot by browsing categories. Now all those bidders are gone. I wouldn't be thrilled selling my Mathewson to a guy only looking for a bargain, but it's better than selling it only to the very few people who are specifically looking for an E95 Matty that week. And maybe someone really wants an E93 Matty, but he sees my E95 with a nice front and a miserable back, and he decides to go for the relative bargain.

Another good example is the E card of Wagner in a throwing pose. I'd like one. This pose probably appears in 6 or 7 sets. So now I have to search for all of them. But this is also a card that is very expensive and I'd only want one similar to my E95 Matty -- massive back damage, or maybe even slightly trimmed. I've been looking at ebay for years and still haven't found one that's the right balance of looks and price. And it's just not worth the effort to do a search for this specific card every week when the chances of finding one that I can want and afford are low. Particularly if I have to do similar searches for hundreds of other cards. I already do about 40 "out of category" searches every week. I'd hate to have to do a couple hundred more. It's so much easier to browse one or two categories every week.

Frank A
09-22-2009, 08:32 AM
All of my buys in the pre 30's cat. are from browsing. I collect no 1 set or player. Browse every day and bid on several items I liked. Now, it is not possible to do, therefore I will no longer try. Tell me that is good for the seller. NOOOOOOO. What a shame that ebay has no clue as to sports cards.

Dustanh1
09-22-2009, 08:55 AM
I just ran my normal t206 (psa,sgc) search and only got 800 something cards. Nothing out of the ordinary. While I don't think this will affect my buying too much, I doubt I ever list anything for sale on ebay again. I did also email them a long message, so hopefully it helps.

danmckee
09-22-2009, 08:57 AM
Dearest NCININ, I don't do a blind search when looking for cards, I search pre 1930 and the 1930's category. Anything newer than that does not interest me in the least. Is this a blind search? Well maybe to a point but it is also very specific to certain era's. That option has been taken away.

Go Amazonbay!

Jim VB
09-22-2009, 09:04 AM
I just ran my normal t206 (psa,sgc) search and only got 800 something cards. Nothing out of the ordinary. While I don't think this will affect my buying too much, I doubt I ever list anything for sale on ebay again. I did also email them a long message, so hopefully it helps.

Dustan,

The thing you are wrong about is that this WILL affect your buying, a lot! The reason is that many sellers will stop using Ebay as their marketing arm, because of the reduced number of views. If the sellers move, it will impact what you have available to buy.

Any decrease in bidders will lead to a decrease in sales. That will lead sellers to go elsewhere.

Dustanh1
09-22-2009, 09:14 AM
Jim, that makes sense and after thinking about it a bit further, I do see your point. A worse overall product will eventually show its effects, even though my search ran today produced similar results. I will wait and see what happens a few months down the road. It only makes sense that less sellers means less cards available for sale that I would like to purchase.

On another note, Ebay sent me a reply within 10 minutes of my email to them. Here it is in all its glory:

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Well, I'm glad we got that cleared up. Just another reason that I won't sell anything on there again.

19cbb
09-22-2009, 09:14 AM
Wonder how coin collectors would react if eBay merges every subcat under COINS.

Nothing like browsing through hundreds of Zimbabwean and Iranian coins while looking for some silver Quarters!

jonincleve
09-22-2009, 09:31 AM
ncinin, with all due respect this is how it affects the sellers. by the way this is my first official thread post, be kind. i collect cleveland indians pre-war among other things. with the pre-1930's category i just look through and see what shows up. as a buyer i am not looking for a specific card, just a team or just something that strikes my fancy. i might be looking at t206 cards and a e90-1 bradley shows up. i was not looking for that specific card but i put a bid in anyway.

as a seller now on ebay of a e90-1 bradley card a buyer would either have to search for THAT specific card or wade through all the other cards to find it.

this is a very bad development for sellers of vintage material. why would i want to list an odd ball type card on ebay right now, there is no reason because it would get lost.

take care
john

jcmtiger
09-22-2009, 10:20 AM
As a buyer this does not bother me. I only search for Old Judge Detroit, so that is no problem, except there usually are none available. As a seller this might cause problems, we will see

Joe

Mark
09-22-2009, 10:56 AM
I am now selling 10 cards on ebay and was about to list another 70 over the next month, but now I am cancelling the auctions and holding off. This move by ebay is idiotic. As I told the lady at ebay, ebay is now like a Walmart in which you go in looking for a wrench and never see any other products. She was very sympathetic and after a long hold said that her coworkers agreed. She said she would put my complaints in a suggestion box, along with my phone number. I urge everyone who wants to sell another card on ebay to call and to ask to speak to someone on the listing team.

iggyman
09-22-2009, 10:56 AM
I'm constantly searching items on eBay looking for pre-war and post-war bargains, I like to consider myself a consummate baseball card flipper. Since 1998, I've been crossing the line between dealer and collector. It's not an exclusive club, since eBay facilitated the buying and flipping of stuff. For the past few years, eBay has kept tinkering with its product and I've just rolled with the punches. They want to go to a "buy-it-now" mode.....Great! As a seller, I've hit on some great deals searching buy-it-now items and as a buyer, I've used this format to make some easy profitable sales. In unison with paypal, they want to screw the seller and make it totally safe to make a purchase. Great! This affords me the opportunity to take more chances then I care to remember with eBay purchases. I didn't think eBay could ever make a change that I couldn't adapt too. From my perspective, this latest change to the sports category is really a hum-dinger.


Will this category change stop me from selling cards on eBay? Yes! To my great regret, I'm done with the true auction format. Buy-it-now, the B/S/T section, and auction houses are the only viable alternatives.


Will this category change stop me from buying cards on ebay? Yes! On two fronts. First of all, since I'm constantly flipping cards and then using those profits to actually buy cards I need. I will soon reach a tipping point; if I can't flip the cards in a timely fashion at some point I have to stop my purchases. Secondly, although this new format will make it easier to find bargains. A prospective buyer will have to devote alot of time searching for cards/bargains and time is something I don't have at a premium. Looks like, I will hit my mid-life crises quicker then I thought!

Lovely Day...

Jacklitsch
09-22-2009, 11:24 AM
If you want to find graded cards the following search parameters work great:

190* SGC This search will pull up all 1900-1909 SGC graded cards.

191* SGC This search will pull up all 1910-1919 SGC graded cards.

Substitute PSA for SGC and PSA only graded cards will appear.

ibuysportsephemera
09-22-2009, 11:35 AM
If you want to find graded cards the following search parameters work great:

190* SGC This search will pull up all 1900-1909 SGC graded cards.

191* SGC This search will pull up all 1910-1919 SGC graded cards.

Substitute PSA for SGC and PSA only graded cards will appear.

You beat me to it...I was going to post the same thing about the *. It is a great trick that someone taught me many years ago and has saved me a ton of time searching on eBay.

Jeff

paul
09-22-2009, 11:46 AM
I don't know why ebay has any categories anymore at all. Why not just lump everything together in one big category? No one can possibly browse the "baseball card" category of 200,000 cards. So, card collectors have no choice but to do a word search. So why bother having categories at all?

By the way, some word searches will be very ineffective. Try searching for "Old Judge" and see how many 2008 and 2009 Topps cards pop up. If only there was some way to screen out post war cards from the search ...

ibuysportsephemera
09-22-2009, 11:52 AM
By the way, some word searches will be very ineffective. Try searching for "Old Judge" and see how many 2008 and 2009 Topps cards pop up. If only there was some way to screen out post war cards from the search ...

You can...just use the minus sign (ie -topps -2008,, etc.) to narrow down your answer. You can do this in the advanced search feature and save that search for your future searches.

Jeff

nolemmings
09-22-2009, 11:58 AM
As a buyer, I'm concerned with any tactic that chases sellers away. Otherwise though, I am pretty much unaffected, as I very seldom search by subcategory anyway (and believe it or not, in addition to some specific sets and players, I'm also a type collector).

As noted, a search with wildcards (asterisks) works tremendously. In addition to the searches by decade (at least for graded cards), type in 193* Goudey and you'll get the whole panoply of sets by that company for the decade, and perhaps even a stray companion piece. And once in Sportscards, type e9* and you'll hit a bunch of the caramel sets. I have a mild interest in several sets from 1928--the ice cream sets, r315, w502, exhibits, etc. I type in 1928 and I get 200 or so hits, only about 15% of which are useful, but it really doesn't take that much time or effort to gaze past the irrelevant stuff, especially if you change your settings to view 100 items per page. Same if you type in Gehrig--there might be mostly listings for non-cards and things of no interest to you, but it doesn't take long to get used to quickly scanning the thumbnails and separating the wheat from the chaff.

Jim VB
09-22-2009, 11:59 AM
I don't know why ebay has any categories anymore at all. Why not just lump everything together in one big category? No one can possibly browse the "baseball card" category of 200,000 cards. So, card collectors have no choice but to do a word search. So why bother having categories at all?

By the way, some word searches will be very ineffective. Try searching for "Old Judge" and see how many 2008 and 2009 Topps cards pop up. If only there was some way to screen out post war cards from the search ...

As Jeff just said, type in a minus sign, left parenthesis, the things you wish to exclude, and a right parenthesis. This format will eliminate certain things you don't want to see, BUT... you must be specific!

For example, I did a search of the Sports Memorabilia category for Old Judge. I hit on 134 items. I refined it to this:

old judge -(UD, Upper Deck, Topps, 1995, 1996, 2005, '95, reprint, RP)

This yielded 77 results, which I believe were all pre 1900 vintage cards. But notice, I had to list both 1995 and '95 as exclusions.

Once you refine it the way you want, hit "Save This Search". You then have the option to have Ebay send you a daily email showing anything new that gets listed in that area.

Leon
09-22-2009, 11:59 AM
You can...just use the minus sign (ie -topps -2008,, etc.) to narrow down your answer. You can do this in the advanced search feature and save that search for your future searches.

Jeff

I just did a search of the 200,000+ baseball items....and I minused out Fleer, Topps, Donruss...and I think one more....and my search came up with about 70 total items.....none of them vintage cards :(

chris
09-22-2009, 11:59 AM
I just spoke with my rep at eBay. She explained that this category consolidation is permanent "for the time being". Basically, unless we all come together and make our opinions know eBay will not be reverting back to have the previous categories within the baseball category. I asked her what could be done regarding this change and she explained that I should get as many buyers and sellers together to contact eBay and express their dislike for this change. She stated that each account rep and customer service rep has a function called Voice of the Customer. They use this to report opinions regarding eBay and changes to actual decision makers at eBay. She said that if I can get enough people to call regarding this and have customer service/account reps log this information into the Voice of the Customer log then we may be able to get this changed. She agreed that this was not a good decision for eBay once I cited this example - would you go buy books at a bookstore that had 200,000+ books all lumped together in no order, or would you buy from the store that had the inventory categorized! So I am asking everyone to please make the call - I know that it may take some time being on hold, but we all know that if we can get this changed we will all benefit! I will be posting this on many message boards today and hope that you will do the same - lets try to get this changed!!

Also, I found a link to a way that you and others can make suggestions
(in addition to the Voice of the Customer that we talked about).

http://pages.ebay.com/help/account/suggestions.html

Mark
09-22-2009, 12:01 PM
The biggest problem comes when you decide to sell some cards that don't appear for auction very often. I know that there are people who don't search everyday for e126's or w573's or E102's but who would consider bidding on them if they saw them appear among the newly listed cards.

nolemmings
09-22-2009, 12:16 PM
another way to search for Old Judge, or the searches I have bookmarked anyway, is to type n172 judge, or 188* judge, or 188* goodwin. That should hit the mark while leaving out the reprints and garbage.

paul
09-22-2009, 12:40 PM
I'd still like to know what "extensive research" showed that people prefer to have their items buried with tens of thousands of unrelated items, rather than logically categorized only with other similar items. Who makes these decisions?

Ladder7
09-22-2009, 12:42 PM
I dont envy VCP, trying to track recent sales.

Frank A
09-22-2009, 12:50 PM
There ar currently 2,583 pages of baseball cards on ebay. I looked at the first 20 through ending soonist. These 20 pages will end in 1Hr 55Min. On these pages was 1 pre 1930 card. HAHAHAHAHA. Good luck hunting.

nolemmings
09-22-2009, 01:09 PM
I found three in about two minutes of searching, a t205, a strip card Tris Speaker and a BIN T206 Cy Young

oops. Missed the date on the Young, the t205 was Fred Clarke

danmckee
09-22-2009, 01:26 PM
What will be missed are the pre-war non-graded gems that do not have years in the title. Mom and Pop in New England with a great find will get killed posting these on ebay! I mean Amazonbay!

calvindog
09-22-2009, 01:27 PM
At last, my Westlaw and Lexis training from 1989 will serve me some good....

deadballera
09-22-2009, 02:00 PM
I used the suggestion tool...

http://pages.ebay.com/help/account/suggestions.html

ibuysportsephemera
09-22-2009, 02:10 PM
I feel everyone's pain about the elimination of the categories and really do not understand how eBay thought it was a good idea to consolidate all into 1 big category...that being said.... As a seller the most important thing to me is the title description. I have paid attention to my statistics from sellathon and traffic reports from ebay, and it is my experience that most buyers come from keyword searches and not specific categories. Granted, I rarely sell cards, so maybe in the card arena it is more important, but for vintage sports memorabilia, a descriptive title is key.

As a buyer (I have a total different identity on eBay) I have about 20 different saved searches that are e-mailed to me daily. They are all by title. I have checked many times what category items are put into and it is amazing how items are mis-categorized by sellers.

David W
09-22-2009, 03:08 PM
The biggest problem comes when you decide to sell some cards that don't appear for auction very often. I know that there are people who don't search everyday for e126's or w573's or E102's but who would consider bidding on them if they saw them appear among the newly listed cards.

Or you're a seller who knows nothing about the nomenclature who finds 5 strip cards in grandpa's desk, and used to just put them in as "Old cards" under the pre 1930 category since they look old, they will be less likely to be seen now because they aren't labeled properly.

I usually search by key word but often also search through a year or years looking for cards that interest me.

I guess I could type in 1963 card in the search, but then I'll get football, hockey, Christmas cards, etc... when it was simpler to just check the 1963 box and have a peek.

uffda51
09-22-2009, 03:32 PM
I started buying on ebay in 1999. I generally restricted myself to dealers I knew from the real world. My transactions break down as follows:

1999-48
2000-68
2001-44
2002-63
2003-98
2004-119
2005-50
2006-51
2007-51
2008-24
2009-10, with nothing since May

Zero negative feedback. 622 positive.

2 neutral, both from guys who sold me altered cards.

If I were ebay, I would want me as a customer.

For reasons already well documented by others, I'm done, and also in large part because so many of the sellers I trust have left as well.

If ebay can't analyze their own data and figure out that their policy changes are counterproductive, someone else will come along and fill the void.

ebay cancelled one of my major searches as "category no longer available."
The search was:1880, 1881, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1887, 1888, 1889, 1890, 1891, 1892, 1893, 1894, 1895, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899) -mswsports, -AAA, -Reach, -Spalding, -Putnam, -bsva, -Whitman, -Conlin, -NASA

Also cancelled: T207, T-207

Thanks, ebay.

brickyardkennedy
09-22-2009, 03:43 PM
An idiotic move, that likely finishes my Ebay buying.

Mark
09-22-2009, 04:10 PM
I again urge everybody to complain to ebay. This is such a stupid move that it is bound to appear so to somebody there.

D. Bergin
09-22-2009, 04:20 PM
I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop as far as search results go and what I normally specialize in.

I can't even keep track of the number of websites I've come across...........including many that were supposedly trying to compete with ebay in which the word "Boxing" automatically defaulted to the word "Box" and all forms of the word "Box" (boxer, boxed, boxes)............even if I put it in quotation marks.

Damn..........I hope ebay reps aren't scouring NET54 for ideas. :cool:

Jim VB
09-22-2009, 04:21 PM
The following post appeared a little while ago on the Ebay message board. It was made by someone in the company (garnor@ebay.com). It is message #92 in this thread:

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/Sports-Cards-Memorabilia/New-Card-Etc/520153170&start=90


Hi all,
We are aware of an issue that is causing members to be unable to narrow down the search results within some areas in Sports Trading Cards. This is not a permanent change and we are working to resolve it as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Garnor

D. Bergin
09-22-2009, 04:28 PM
The following post apperaed a little while ago on the Ebay message board. It was made by someone in the company (garnor@ebay.com). It is message #92 in this thread:

http://forums.ebay.com/db2/topic/Sports-Cards-Memorabilia/New-Card-Etc/520153170&start=90


Hi all,
We are aware of an issue that is causing members to be unable to narrow down the search results within some areas in Sports Trading Cards. This is not a permanent change and we are working to resolve it as quickly as possible.

Regards,
Garnor



Wow, one hand doesn't seem to know what the other one is doing.

barrysloate
09-22-2009, 04:34 PM
One post contradicts the other. Is it a permanent change or just an error that needs to be fixed? This is ridiculous.

Jim VB
09-22-2009, 04:36 PM
One post contradicts the other. Is it a permanent change or just an error that needs to be fixed? This is ridiculous.

My guess... it WAS a permanent change. One which created problems they had never imagined. 24 hours later... it's a systems problem that they are working tirelessly to fix.

It probably never occured to them what would happen when 200,000+ items went into one single category that could not be narrowed down.

Look at it this way, if they now reduce the classifications by 50%, we'll all think it's fine. If they had just made a 50% cut to start, everyone would have gone nuts (just like we did.) Now, they can "fix" it and be "great guys."

D. Bergin
09-22-2009, 04:37 PM
I think Ebay needs to streamline their operation and cut loose all these talking heads, reps, marketing people and programmers that think they need to throw the whole freakin' system into a tailspin every couple of months in order to justify their jobs.

Potomac Yank
09-22-2009, 04:54 PM
There's Mental Giant at eBay with a death wish for eBay, and he/she might get their wish.

Their slogan is: "We're working to make eBay easier to use." -- What a joke.

judsonhamlin
09-22-2009, 05:00 PM
I wondered where the creative minds behind the Pontiac Aztek landed-- it's eBay. I've probably dropped off 90% in what I buy off of eBay over the last year - there are a couple of dealers whose stores i will scan occasionally, and a couple of saved sellers, but that is it.

danmckee
09-22-2009, 05:05 PM
I just searched 1987 Topps set and got some hits, I don't see a problem here??

tbob
09-22-2009, 05:06 PM
I complained to ebay and got nowhere other than the run around that the change is NOT permanent and they had to do this in order to streamline things and get them back to normal. Huh?
To answer the question way up the thread from ncinin about "does anyone do blind searching?" Absolutely. I collect certain caramel cards and some tobacco cards from 1909-1919 but if I happen to run across something I like, like a nice Old Judge or a sharp Fatima for a good price, I'll buy it, tuck it away, and use it as a trader or let it appreciate it and flip it. I don't collect E92, E99, E100, E101 or E102 but if I find a nice example at a deal, I'll grab it. I think a lot of collectors do the same thing.
Finally, the search tips are nice and useful, thanks for providing them but if you have noticed the tiny number of new offerings on ebay, it won't be long before buyers are punished simply because sellers are tired of screwing around with the new rules and stop listing. I am a collector but I constantly upgrade and sell cards to buy others I want more, again, a lot of us do this, but I will be damned if I will list any more cards on ebay for sale until this gets rectified :(

paul
09-22-2009, 05:13 PM
I'm with Barry. I think one hand doesn't know what the other is doing. It's possible that the change is permanent. If so, those telling us that it is not permanent are probably referring to some other minor change that has been made, not realizing we are complaining about the major change. It's also possible that the change is a mistake that they are trying to fix. The people at ebay who say the change is permanent are again referring to some other minor change. Or it's possible that our complaints have made an impact, but somehow I doubt that.

Northviewcats
09-22-2009, 05:21 PM
Hello Everyone,

I don't know if it will do any good, but I just called Ebay and told them that I wouldn't be listing anymore auctions until they resolved the sub-category problem. I just became a Power-seller a couple of months ago, so maybe if they get enough complaints/threats they will resolve the issue. I certainly hope they listen to us.

Best wishes,

Joe

tbob
09-22-2009, 05:41 PM
Joe- Do you remember the number you called? I'd like to call the same guy to make the point also.
Tbob

Northviewcats
09-22-2009, 06:00 PM
Hi Bob,

The number is 1-800-701-3229. When you call you will need to provide a pin number. This is nice to have because the person that you speak with knows exactly who they are talking to. If you don't have a pin number you can click on the help button and get a temporary pin number that is good for one hour. You will need to click on a question to get the pin.

Good luck,

Joe

Doug
09-22-2009, 06:09 PM
As a buyer this does not bother me. I only search for Old Judge Detroit, so that is no problem, except there usually are none available. As a seller this might cause problems, we will see

Joe

I've always searched by individual card as well, but this still seems like a ridiculous move since obviously a large number of people do search by category.

tbob
09-22-2009, 06:22 PM
Thanks Joe. I got a well meaning young woman to talk to and I had to spend 15 minutes building the foundation of how valuable these cards are and how ebay and paypal will suffer financially by this idiotic decision. I had to explain to her that the items I bid on are not 50 cent items but generally between $75-2500. That got her attention. She is currently checking to see if this change is permanent and when I find that out, I will post it to add it to the mix.

tbob
09-22-2009, 06:26 PM
I'm a category checker and I review every single pre-1930 card each day.
"Hi, my name is tbob and I am a category checker." "Hi Tbob" :p

tbob
09-22-2009, 06:27 PM
She checked with the higher-ups and this is a PERMANENT DECISION. Crap...

Jim VB
09-22-2009, 06:36 PM
She checked with the higher-ups and this is a PERMANENT DECISION. Crap...

Well, that means Dave B and Barry were correct and one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing.

Different sources continue to say on the ebay boards, that they're working on it while phone reps tell people it's permanent.

In fact, they have already fixed the basketball card section and it is back close to the way it was before.

What a disaster of a company.

brickyardkennedy
09-22-2009, 06:39 PM
http://www.net54baseball.com/images/attach/jpg.gif

Matt
09-22-2009, 06:57 PM
In fact, they have already fixed the basketball card section and it is back close to the way it was before.


Not for me - basketball cards are still all lumped together in one giant category. My guess is that this was a thought out and planned decision that eBay made, knowing full well it would alienate a chunk of their customers. As such, I doubt calling to complain is going to make them change their mind.

Potomac Yank
09-22-2009, 07:06 PM
If they're not taking us serious, the only thing left is the language of money.
Every move that they've made during the last couple of years, have been to try to squeeze every penny they can from the buyers, and sellers.

Now, if the buyers, and sellers are really serious about this ... the only thing that might get their undivided attention ... is a boycott by both the buyers, and the sellers.

With the economy being what it is ... even a Mental Midget at eBay will agree that that's the last thing that eBay needs.

We can all use a month off anyway :D ..... Can eBay???

Jim VB
09-22-2009, 07:08 PM
Not for me - basketball cards are still all lumped together in one giant category. My guess is that this was a thought out and planned decision that eBay made, knowing full well it would alienate a chunk of their customers. As such, I doubt calling to complain is going to make them change their mind.

Try refreshing your cache memory. (Note to many on this board, but not Matt: This means after the page you want to look at has loaded, press the F5 key in the top row of your keyboard. To help your computer load faster it sometimes "remembers" what a page looks like from the last time you went there.) After someone on the ebay board said it was "fixed" my first attempt failed. Refreshed and it was better.

My Baseball categories now shows this:

Refine search
In Baseball Cards
ProductBox (1,555)
Pack (1,462)
Single (67,104)
Single - Insert (15,287)
Single - Parallel (2,858)
Set (3,912)
Team Set (1,800)
Lot (13,997)
Choose more...Card AttributesRookie (24,478)
Serial Numbered (17,309)
Autograph (12,497)
Piece of Authentic (10,884)
Not Specified (100,335)
Choose more...Year2009 (15,526)
2008 (10,799)
2007 (7,735)
2006 (4,338)
2005 (4,591)
2004 (3,246)
2003 (2,952)
2001 (3,135)
Choose more...PricePlease enter a minimum and/or maximum price before continuing.$ to $
Card ManufacturerTopps (37,001)
Upper Deck (14,427)
Bowman (9,930)
Donruss (4,441)
Fleer (3,907)
Leaf (1,338)
Goudey (759)
Score (677)
Choose more...Professionally GradedNot Graded (69,886)
Graded (23,470)
Not Specified (50,333)
Choose more...Original/ReprintOriginal (78,706)
Reprint (761)
Unknown (253)
Not Specified (63,969)
Choose more...SellerSpecify sellers...

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paul
09-22-2009, 07:45 PM
I don't understand why ebay would make a decision that they know would piss off some buyers and sellers, unless they thought it would make other buyers and sellers more happy. I still haven't heard any explanation of who might like this restructuring.

By the way, the F5 trick is a good one. I do now have more subcategories, like "parallel", "insert" (is there a difference between these), and "uncut sheet." Maybe they've just been getting advice from people who speculate on modern shiny stuff and forgot that the rest of us exist. If these categories are better for the modern stuff, fine. But why did they have to dump us in with them?

t213
09-22-2009, 07:58 PM
Everyone who works at Ebay should be required to sell at least 10 items per month by auction.

Andy

Matt
09-22-2009, 08:29 PM
Try refreshing your cache memory. ...Refreshed and it was better.

My Baseball categories now shows this:
....
Not Specified (63,969)


Jim - it's not fixed - they just changed around the site to look more like the category browsing, but it's still using the same "Item Specifics" information, as you can see, only 64,000 listings will be missed when browsing that way...

Buythatcard
09-22-2009, 08:42 PM
The categories are back! I just went to do a search and they are all there. Maybe someone actually listened.

painthistorian
09-22-2009, 08:51 PM
as of 8:50 NY it is NOT working even w/ refresh, overall categories are still lumped, just searches are more refined, you cannot list items by decade.

keep calling e bay every day-

gabrinus
09-22-2009, 08:56 PM
not fixed.....just more useless categories.......pre 1930 where are you?? anyone want to spend all day searching through hologram cards?? no more rare items like the Old Put I lucked across years ago when the seller did not list it that way.....no more blue back crofts when the seller does not list it that way......oh well.

Jim VB
09-22-2009, 09:04 PM
Jim - it's not fixed - they just changed around the site to look more like the category browsing, but it's still using the same "Item Specifics" information, as you can see, only 64,000 listings will be missed when browsing that way...

I think this might be all the "fixed" we're going to get for a while. I didn't say it was back to the way it was, just that they expanded the sub-categories.

I don't sell on Ebay, so I'm not tuned in to everything you have to go through to list, but my understanding is that the "Item Specifics" info requires more attention to detail by the seller in the listing set-up, but if it's done well, random searches should work OK.

Jim VB
09-22-2009, 09:06 PM
not fixed.....just more useless categories.......pre 1930 where are you?? anyone want to spend all day searching through hologram cards?? no more rare items like the Old Put I lucked across years ago when the seller did not list it that way.....no more blue back crofts when the seller does not list it that way......oh well.


They may not have a "Pre-1930" category but you can search for multiple years by checking the box next to each year you're interested in (1929, 1928, 1927, etc., all the way back to 18xx). Once you do this search, click "Save this Search" and you don't have to do it again.

Matt
09-22-2009, 09:08 PM
I think this might be all the "fixed" we're going to get for a while. I didn't say it was back to the way it was, just that they expanded the sub-categories.

I don't sell on Ebay, so I'm not tuned in to everything you have to go through to list, but my understanding is that the "Item Specifics" info requires more attention to detail by the seller in the listing set-up, but if it's done well, random searches should work OK.

This issue really wasn't/isn't effecting searches that much - it effects browsing - people want to sit on the 1930's category and watch all the interesting stuff that comes in. There was a very cool Mordecai Brown flip book that was listed last week by a board member; I don't think the year is even known and I doubt most of the people bidding have a saved search for "Mordecai Brown Flip Book." They were browsing the category and saw it. I don't think it would pull in 1/3 of what it did if listed now.

And again, as I pointed out, by using the item specifics, you're still missing 70k of the 200k listings.

painthistorian
09-22-2009, 09:35 PM
:mad::mad:

Hi Net 54-

I just finished my 5th call...each supervisor is more robotic than the prior, each one says to me , this is the first time they have heard any complaints, as has been stated over and over, please turn up the heat, KEEP CALLING, keep e mailing........no search method will replace browsing era categories........

This is the only opportunity we will have to get this browsing method back, era categories, lots, sets etc.....all now lumped together without EXPLICIT CATEGORY SEARCHES and with all of ebay lame changes, this one should make ALL SELLERS of any item realize that they are now going to have FAR LESS eyes on their products which means, less to offer you COLLECTORS. When those that have quality merchandise now ONLY WILL SELL/LIST WITH THE GREAT GUYS (major auctions), the collector and the dealer are BOTH hurt....we have no alternative at this time as much as we want to be positive, you will now have very little offered thru e bay and will have to pay buyers fees to auction houses so collectors, dealers and hobbyists large and small...KEEP IN E BAYS FACE and hurt them in their pockets.

Jim VB
09-22-2009, 09:45 PM
This issue really wasn't/isn't effecting searches that much - it effects browsing - people want to sit on the 1930's category and watch all the interesting stuff that comes in. There was a very cool Mordecai Brown flip book that was listed last week by a board member; I don't think the year is even known and I doubt most of the people bidding have a saved search for "Mordecai Brown Flip Book." They were browsing the category and saw it. I don't think it would pull in 1/3 of what it did if listed now.

And again, as I pointed out, by using the item specifics, you're still missing 70k of the 200k listings.

Not trying to be difficult here, but your complaint is that, last week you found a flip book, which was incorrectly listed in the Pre 1930's baseball card category, and now you wouldn't find this mis-listed item?

Matt
09-22-2009, 09:48 PM
Not trying to be difficult here, but your complaint is that, last week you found a flip book, which was incorrectly listed in the Pre 1930's baseball card category, and now you wouldn't find this mis-listed item?

Yes you are :)

I have no complaint - I think this latest eBay change will end up being great for everyone. (http://www.net54baseball.com/showpost.php?p=751190&postcount=70)

I think the seller of that item, which doesn't fit neatly into any of the "item specifics" categories and was listed as correctly as it could have been, would now not get 1/3 of what he got.

jbsports33
09-22-2009, 10:21 PM
I agree with Jim (VB), I just tried searches and on the left side there are many options you can play around with including years, lots, packs. Trust me I am not happy with the change and emailed them twice already, will call asap too. I just think there are ways around the changes eBay makes and my search only was about 10-20 min more. I am sure I can cut that time down as well and I search almost all sports cats not just cards. I am disappointed, but I can work with it and the search is almost the same, just need to click a few more buttons with each sport. Keep calling, it will not hurt because they did mess up and did not think about sellers and buyers that have built in searches.

Jimmy

paul
09-22-2009, 10:41 PM
Buythatcard needs to tell us his secret.

Jim VB
09-22-2009, 11:29 PM
Yes you are :)

I have no complaint - I think this latest eBay change will end up being great for everyone. (http://www.net54baseball.com/showpost.php?p=751190&postcount=70)

I think the seller of that item, which doesn't fit neatly into any of the "item specifics" categories and was listed as correctly as it could have been, would now not get 1/3 of what he got.

OK. I agree. Sellers of oddball items may have to work a little harder to have their item be randomly "found."

Sellers of more mainstream items may have to work a little harder to be sure their listings are accurate in their use of item specifics.

And browsers may have to be just a little more creative than we were to create search/browse categories that fit our desires.

But... it's better than it was this morning, albeit worse/different than it was two days ago.

painthistorian
09-22-2009, 11:45 PM
many of you have good responses regarding refining searches and that is important HOWEVER....

Browsing is different than searching and many of us browse and find era related material by era categories... what makes NO sense is collectibles such as coins still have easy to navigate & selling sub categories by era, US, foreign gold, US, professional graded & non graded (different wording, same thing) and they are a similar type rare collectibles with recent shiny junk too, but they are not MIXED TOGETHER...you can still search for lots or singles and not be lumped together. Their categories were NOT changed, ours were.....why? If e bay was to benefit on a profitable level for this stupidity, why destroy the cards categories and not do same w/ coins?

I can still browse gold coins and get a single search for all gold coins but if I want to find all Mickey mantle cards 1950-1959 graded(PSA,GAI,SGC BVG) etc. in one search (which I could last week), it will be Mickey Mantle reprint garbage mixed w/ good cards, graded mixed w/ non graded, now the search MUST be refined or you will lose the ability to "browse" not search.

Sellers are going to lose 1/2 of their watchers, we see our results last two days and it is way down from comparible watchers of similar items this month.

It just makes no sense from any point of view.....

paul
09-23-2009, 12:07 AM
The worst part is that they didn't screw up the other categories. That means they will get only a minimum number of complaints -- probably a number similar to the number of people who read this board. There just aren't that many prewar collectors out there. So it will be much tougher to get them to change.

I originally thought these changes were across the whole website, and I was about to invest heavily in selling ebay stock short. With only cards affected, it probably won't make a difference.

Buythatcard
09-23-2009, 07:02 AM
I might have spoken to quickly when I said teh categories were back.

I can see the categories when I do a refined search. I was not able to do that over the past 2 days. It looks the same to me as it did before we had these problems.

But, I still cannot choose any subcategories under baseball when listing new items.

So, it's still a mess.

Exhibitman
09-23-2009, 08:41 AM
many of you have good responses regarding refining searches and that is important HOWEVER....

Browsing is different than searching and many of us browse and find era related material by era categories... what makes NO sense is collectibles such as coins still have easy to navigate & selling sub categories by era, US, foreign gold, US, professional graded & non graded (different wording, same thing) and they are a similar type rare collectibles with recent shiny junk too, but they are not MIXED TOGETHER...you can still search for lots or singles and not be lumped together. Their categories were NOT changed, ours were.....why? If e bay was to benefit on a profitable level for this stupidity, why destroy the cards categories and not do same w/ coins?

I can still browse gold coins and get a single search for all gold coins but if I want to find all Mickey mantle cards 1950-1959 graded(PSA,GAI,SGC BVG) etc. in one search (which I could last week), it will be Mickey Mantle reprint garbage mixed w/ good cards, graded mixed w/ non graded, now the search MUST be refined or you will lose the ability to "browse" not search.

Sellers are going to lose 1/2 of their watchers, we see our results last two days and it is way down from comparible watchers of similar items this month.

It just makes no sense from any point of view.....

Actually, it does; here's another conspiracy theory to chew on: ebay wants to be rid of the auction format and has been doing things to favor fixed price sales for quite some time. Perhaps chopping out the browsing contingent is part of that strategy--drive the prices down on auctions and force everyone to go to fixed price listings to protect their suddenly much larger downsides.

danmckee
09-23-2009, 09:04 AM
I agree with Larry, Matt and Adam. No searching can accomplish what the browsing of an era category did. The flip booklet with no year in the title is a great example, Matt is correct, listed now, that book brings $50 to $75 as many would not have seen it.

I also think Adam is on to something: Ebay is really pushing the direct sale and no auctions. This loss of sub categories will cause loss of revenue for sellers and for them to list with BIN's.

All sellers will do the inventory dumps.

Also, there are doctored fakes popping up like crazy now and the report item feature hasn't worked for 2 days.

Amazing!

barrysloate
09-23-2009, 09:04 AM
Adam makes a good point, but I've been wondering: why does ebay want to get rid of the auction format? Why is a fixed price site to their advantage? Is it too costly to run the auction software?

It's easy for us to sit here and say ebay is really stupid to make the changes they have made, but the fact is a good deal of thought is put into these decisions. And it is done because the company believes it will make them more profitable. But why? That's what escapes me.

Rich Klein
09-23-2009, 09:15 AM
Because in "fixed sales" mode EBay would have a higher percentage of high volume sellers instead of the Mom and Pop sellers who do auctions.

It's much easier for a business to deal with a smaller number of "distributors" then it is to deal with a large number of "retailers".

Rich

mintacular
09-23-2009, 09:28 AM
Adam makes a good point, but I've been wondering: why does ebay want to get rid of the auction format? Why is a fixed price site to their advantage? Is it too costly to run the auction software?

It's easy for us to sit here and say ebay is really stupid to make the changes they have made, but the fact is a good deal of thought is put into these decisions. And it is done because the company believes it will make them more profitable. But why? That's what escapes me.

Just b/c this decision has been made doesn't mean eBay it works for the consumer or that their "research process" was conducted accurately. There are many companies (like Enron) that make poor decisions and pay for it--getting too big can contribute to MORE errors, not less.

There are two options of what happened here in my opinion:
1) Some wonk in corporate has no idea how collectors search/buy cards & proposed this reconfiguration to save $ on server space, etc.
2) This was a strategic & deliberate choice to kill off auctions/small sellers in their continued transition to fixed BINS/stores

I'm leaning towards option 2 at this point. The consequence of this change will immediately kill penny auctions which no doubt hurts the big seller who offers the same product in their stores, but at a higher price. Also notice the new seach options which allows you to easily search for specific sellers. To me, this option further confirms my suspicions regarding WHY this change was implemented.

barrysloate
09-23-2009, 09:41 AM
Responding to Rich and mintacular, who both made good points, I guess the auctions are in some ways not as profitable as the fixed price format. It would seem like both large corporations and mom and pop sellers could live together harmoniously, as there's a need for both of them. So why not let the auction business grow too, even if they want to draw more attention to the bigger retail sellers?

I know that vintage baseball cards comprise maybe 1/10 of 1% of all ebay sales, so I don't think they are losing too much sleep over our issues. But for that reason alone, why not just leave it be?

painthistorian
09-23-2009, 10:02 AM
If e bay wants to rid the auction format and that was their purpose, WHY DID THEY KEEP THE SUB CATEGORIES FOR COINS???????

You can still separate and BROWSE graded and non graded coins, I just think they wanted to consolodate categories as their "efforts to improve the e bay experience" and there was no one at e bay that really understood the severity regarding baseball card era categories...it does not mean they are not intending to long term go to a BIN/best offer/best match structure...it would be more evident if every collectible category was destroyed like cards were.

mintacular
09-23-2009, 10:19 AM
From my last 10 years of experience on eBay, these changes usually fall like dominos--cards this week, coins next month, etc. I am still hoping this is one bad dream.

If not, I hope a new site that specializes specifically in sports cards, etc. can swoop in & offer a better alternative. eBay is clearly out of touch with how collectors shop and is too big for its own britches.

Doug
09-23-2009, 10:36 AM
Actually, it does; here's another conspiracy theory to chew on: ebay wants to be rid of the auction format and has been doing things to favor fixed price sales for quite some time. Perhaps chopping out the browsing contingent is part of that strategy--drive the prices down on auctions and force everyone to go to fixed price listings to protect their suddenly much larger downsides.

This theory makes a lot of sense. If you get all of your sellers paranoid that buyers won't find their item, they are all going to start listing items as Buy it Now to make sure that they don't take a huge loss on their item because nobody saw it.

D. Bergin
09-23-2009, 10:38 AM
I think the answer is simply a case of too many cooks spoiling the stew.

Too many salaries, too many people with input into the decision making process, too few people with actual experience using the platform.

I think the descent began years ago when Ebay first went from a private company to a public company.

The stock went crazy and with it came unrealistic expectations of continued growth in feeding the Wall Street machine. Dumb decisions were made in the chase for short term profits and eventually Ebay decided they wanted to become the company whose ass they were metaphorically kicking for years and years...........Amazon!!

Ebay keeps saying "auctions are dying"................that's because they have been killing them off themselves! :confused:

When Ebay began it was nothing more then a few people..........a server and some fancy software.

Ebay doesn't keep any inventory.............overhead should be nill. Every one of these poor decisions creates more overhead for them and in turn more pennies they are obligated to suck off it's users to meet demand from it's stockholders.

Pretty soon the vampire's going to run out of blood to suck.

I'll be rooting for Leon.

Meanwhile..............I've got some items to list on Ebay! :D

WarHoundR69
09-23-2009, 11:05 AM
Leon if you do start an auction site here, please include NonSports cards.

barrysloate
09-23-2009, 11:14 AM
As much as I've supported Leon with the idea of starting an auction site on Net54, the fact is no one can compete with the audience ebay reaches. It is simply remarkable, and probably the best thing about it.

When I was at my peak of selling on ebay, probably 2-3 years ago, the number of new names and new bidders I would get was extraordinary. And that in turn led to high prices realized. A site similar to ebay, hosted here, would only get a fraction of the views. So that would concern me.

Matt
09-23-2009, 11:20 AM
Barry - you are correct as that has always been the issue with eBay competitors. But with people generally leaving eBay in chunks due to their decisions over the past year, and then sports-collectibles-specific folks leaving in droves over this mess, added with the fact that a significant percentage (vast majority?) of pre-war card collectors are already on this site, I think there is a good chance for success.

barrysloate
09-23-2009, 11:45 AM
Matt- I agree that now would be an opportune time to start a new auction site. People are angry and looking for an alternative.

tbob
09-23-2009, 12:18 PM
The consequence of this change will immediately kill penny auctions which no doubt hurts the big seller who offers the same product in their stores, but at a higher price. Also notice the new seach options which allows you to easily search for specific sellers. To me, this option further confirms my suspicions regarding WHY this change was implemented.


Bingo!

tbob
09-23-2009, 12:26 PM
The only thing that ebay concerns itself with is money. Why should they care how we feel, as collectors, about this idiotic new move? I think the only thing that would make them change their mind is a boycott by sellers and buyers. Perhaps, as Barry says, the money derived is a drop in the bucket but 1% of ebay revenues is 1% of ebay revenues and some bean counter is going to notice. Maybe giving them a "Black October" for cards would do some good and convince the miscreants to change things back. Who knows?
In the meantime I have to shake my head at some of the responses on this board. It appears very obvious that each one of us who calls or writes is dealing with one different person each time. It's too bad they don't have a single person or group of people you can complain to who would see that the complaints are not singular in nature but shared by a large group of people.
It just p.o.'s me that I have a feedback of over 6500 and have made them a lot of money through the years (and Paypal too) and yet I am treated like someone who collects string. :mad:

iggyman
09-23-2009, 01:03 PM
Barry - you are correct as that has always been the issue with eBay competitors. But with people generally leaving eBay in chunks due to their decisions over the past year, and then sports-collectibles-specific folks leaving in droves over this mess, added with the fact that a significant percentage (vast majority?) of pre-war card collectors are already on this site, I think there is a good chance for success.


I don't think a vast majority of prewar collectors use this site. I have no idea what the percentages are, but I would bet it doesn't even reach the 50% plateau. No disrespect intended, this is just my personal opinion based on years of buying and selling on eBay. It doesn't make me an expert. All I know is that over the years a few of the buyers names have stayed the same, but (as Barry mentioned) most are constantly new.


At this present time, I would welcome any viable "baseball card" alternative to eBay. Actually, I'm jumping at the bit for it! To become really successful an ebay competitor would have to attract the hard core collector (easy to do) and the casual one (not so easy). I'm a small fish, especially when compared to Barry during his "heyday", but I've made a few sales to "whales" (which are always nice when they are biting). However, it has been the housewife purchasing an anniversary present, or the guy who just likes old stuff, or the collector in Japan.....these are the people who have consistenly given me the most bang for my buck. I'm not sure how you duplicate that?

Lovely Day...

sagard
09-23-2009, 01:15 PM
I think adding a cards section to "Vintage Sports Memorabilia" might be the easiest solution for Ebay and the group here.

Ebay made the move because even though many browse the pre-1930 category, I'm sure VERY few browsed by the literally dozens of other categories and sub-categories in the main cards section.

ibuysportsephemera
09-23-2009, 01:22 PM
I think that the problem with eBay wannabees was that they just imitated eBay and tried to pull off an identical site with tons of categories. The reason why I think that Leon has a chance (although a small one..I admit) is because it will be specific to one category and he has experience in the auction business already. JMO.

Jeff

Potomac Yank
09-23-2009, 01:38 PM
If you don't stand together ... You get what you deserve!

See post # 146 .....

bobafett72
09-23-2009, 02:58 PM
As Ebay moves towards an Amazon.com type of model. Inevitably they will get rid of auctions entirely as they theorize that auctions were "just a fad" I find that thinking ridiculous. People love Ebay, especially collectibles folks. Auctions are so much more fun than BUY IT NOW garbage.

cheers
Leo

slidekellyslide
09-23-2009, 03:20 PM
As much as I've supported Leon with the idea of starting an auction site on Net54, the fact is no one can compete with the audience ebay reaches. It is simply remarkable, and probably the best thing about it.

When I was at my peak of selling on ebay, probably 2-3 years ago, the number of new names and new bidders I would get was extraordinary. And that in turn led to high prices realized. A site similar to ebay, hosted here, would only get a fraction of the views. So that would concern me.

Yep, there is just no competition for ebay...I've auctioned a few items on the BST and they just don't go for what I can get on ebay...I even tried to auction two sports related tins on the BST and nobody even posted the minimum $25 bid so I took them to ebay and combined they sold for $180...I had a $50 BIN for them on BST and there were no takers. I think the only way a dedicated auction service on N54 works is if Ebay gets rid of the auction format completely.

Jay Wolt
09-23-2009, 03:41 PM
As Ebay moves towards an Amazon.com type of model. Inevitably they will get rid of auctions entirely as they theorize that auctions were "just a fad" I find that thinking ridiculous. People love Ebay, especially collectibles folks. Auctions are so much more fun than BUY IT NOW garbage.

cheers
Leo

Don't know why eBay thinks it has to choose to be more like Amazon and less like eBay (in its heyday)
Why can't it take advantage of both venues instead of choosing to lean towards one format?

Leon
09-23-2009, 03:41 PM
Yep, there is just no competition for ebay...I've auctioned a few items on the BST and they just don't go for what I can get on ebay...I even tried to auction two sports related tins on the BST and nobody even posted the minimum $25 bid so I took them to ebay and combined they sold for $180...I had a $50 BIN for them on BST and there were no takers. I think the only way a dedicated auction service on N54 works is if Ebay gets rid of the auction format completely.

The little do it yourself auctions on our BST are supposed to be mainly for fun and lower end items. That's not to say you can't try anything you want but it is mainly for fun. I sold a few sub $100 items as I didn't care what they brought.

With the newer auction proposition that I/we are considering, it's the real deal. It won't be rinky dink and it will be run a heck of a lot better than ebay (which won't be hard to do). Of course we won't have the audience ebay does. Hardly any site except Amazon does. There will be ways for sellers to protect themselves while running higher end, as well as lower end, auctions. Hey, the worst thing that can happen is it doesn't work out. Since I have always wanted to try it I am sure I/we will. Except for a link on Net54baseball.com it won't be affiliated with this forum too much. As I said before everything on the board is staying the same...same BST, same categories, no cost for anyone unless you want to advertise etc.......regards

Buythatcard
09-23-2009, 04:43 PM
Hey Leon,

Will this proposed auction site have categories below Baseball? :D

Leon
09-23-2009, 04:55 PM
Hey Leon,

Will this proposed auction site have categories below Baseball? :D

No Howard, I was thinking we would just have 1 category called "Sports and everything else too".....that should narrow it down in an ebay-like way. :eek:

painthistorian
09-23-2009, 04:59 PM
Leon- I say it is time to make a stand!...I have 5000+ names on my mailing list from 11,000 e bay transactions since 2004, I will give that to you, you can mail a notice/letters/brochure of a prototype NET54 card/memorabilia auction site and it should be all collectibles sports , properly defined and categorized plus non sports cards...also have to get PSA/SGC/VCP/ etc. all are who are affected in some way from this e bay decision, to get aboard. We are all affected by this e bay direction even if you do not buy on ebay . Collectors, dealers, occasional e bay glancers, show promoters, grading services, etc., all need to realize the severity of e bay's directives and I will donate the first customer list for you when you are ready. I want to be one of the first to defy this debacle and try something that can really work, hope everyone is up for a challenge that will be to the hobby's benefit in the long run and hopefully wishing is now....Larry.

Leon
09-23-2009, 05:33 PM
Leon- I say it is time to make a stand!...I have 5000+ names on my mailing list from 11,000 e bay transactions since 2004, I will give that to you, you can mail a notice/letters/brochure of a prototype NET54 card/memorabilia auction site and it should be all collectibles sports , properly defined and categorized plus non sports cards...also have to get PSA/SGC/VCP/ etc. all are who are affected in some way from this e bay decision, to get aboard. We are all affected by this e bay direction even if you do not buy on ebay . Collectors, dealers, occasional e bay glancers, show promoters, grading services, etc., all need to realize the severity of e bay's directives and I will donate the first customer list for you when you are ready. I want to be one of the first to defy this debacle and try something that can really work, hope everyone is up for a challenge that will be to the hobby's benefit in the long run and hopefully wishing is now....Larry.

Hey Larry
Sounds great. I am not sure how long it will take for the real auction I am looking at doing, but it will happen. I will take you up on your offer too. We are a bit of a ways out though. We are looking at a way to potentially get sniping on a site other than ebay but that is the obstacle right now. I/we (Matt is my partner on this venture) have contacted another programmer that has an idea of how to do it but it's not an immediate solution...it will take a bit of time....My guess is 30-60 days but hopefully less. Rome wasn't built overnight.

slidekellyslide
09-23-2009, 05:37 PM
The little do it yourself auctions on our BST are supposed to be mainly for fun and lower end items. That's not to say you can't try anything you want but it is mainly for fun. I sold a few sub $100 items as I didn't care what they brought.

With the newer auction proposition that I/we are considering, it's the real deal. It won't be rinky dink and it will be run a heck of a lot better than ebay (which won't be hard to do). Of course we won't have the audience ebay does. Hardly any site except Amazon does. There will be ways for sellers to protect themselves while running higher end, as well as lower end, auctions. Hey, the worst thing that can happen is it doesn't work out. Since I have always wanted to try it I am sure I/we will. Except for a link on Net54baseball.com it won't be affiliated with this forum too much. As I said before everything on the board is staying the same...same BST, same categories, no cost for anyone unless you want to advertise etc.......regards


Leon, I didn't mean to imply that it would be "rinky dink"...I just don't think any auction site will compete with ebay until they finally turn out the lights. They are just that entrenched...I have a feeling that whatever you set up the first time someone runs a true auction without a reserve and it goes for less than they expected that they'll either do the same thing they do on ebay which is to set a reserve or a ridiculous BIN. A site like yours is going to attract a lot of card dealers and card collectors..one element it won't have is the clueless or casual seller who actually does find a stash of OJ's at an estate sale or finds a stash of Clement Bread cards in their attic. That is/was the true beauty of ebay.

paul
09-23-2009, 06:23 PM
I'm not sure I see the need for any organized boycott. I'm not going to use ebay much any more, if at all, because it's pretty useless. I think most collectors of prewar cards will reach the same conclusion. So ebay will simply die on the vine for vintage card collectors.

The problem is -- if they didn't screw up the other categories, ebay won't even notice. The sellers of shiny new cards (as well as the sellers of pots and pans and whatever else people buy on ebay) will keep buying and selling. Ebay won't even be keeping track of the former pre-war categories anymore. So they won't even notice the difference.

mintacular
09-23-2009, 07:02 PM
Leon--Though I'm new to the site, as a collector I can tell you that there is a need/demand for a simple yet professional site that caters to collectors. Even if the auctions were BINs for now until traffic picks up, I think a site like this one could meet the needs of niche collectors. Clearly eBay has lost its "true north" and will never be the final answer passionate collectors are looking for.

Maybe it sounds like a pipe dream but Carnegie didn't become a steel magnate overnight--it had to start with an idea and a drive to follow through. Either way, you have my support and if/when you get serious about launching an auction site, I would be glad to help in any way I can. Good luck-Pat

barrysloate
09-23-2009, 07:40 PM
Leon and Matt- although you guys are still in the planning phase, Dan made a really good point. If your new site is relatively cheap, and dealers are allowed to place reserves, you are going to be filled with thousands of overpriced BINs, and cards that will never sell. That's the one thing about ebay that just about everybody hates (except the guys listing these unsellable lots), and I'm sure that's not the look either of you want.

So you need to come up with a format that allows for a real auction environment, not a long term parking lot for overpriced inventory.

GoldenAge50s
09-23-2009, 07:44 PM
EXCELLENT point, Barry!

Matt
09-23-2009, 07:50 PM
Leon and Matt- although you guys are still in the planning phase, Dan made a really good point. If your new site is relatively cheap, and dealers are allowed to place reserves, you are going to be filled with thousands of overpriced BINs, and cards that will never sell. That's the one thing about ebay that just about everybody hates (except the guys listing these unsellable lots), and I'm sure that's not the look either of you want.

So you need to come up with a format that allows for a real auction environment, not a long term parking lot for overpriced inventory.

I too never liked the ridiculously overpriced BINs, though I can't say they detracted that much from my eBay experience - if given an option between having them as true auctions vs having them as BINs, obviously we'd all want them to be true auctions, but we're probably dealing here with having them as overpriced BINs, or not having them at all. Keep in mind we need to minimize seller risk to attract sellers, so allowing sellers to set reserves/BINs they are comfortable with is important. Not sure how to automatically distinguish between a reasonable BIN and an overpriced one, even though we all know it when we see it. Certainly am open to any solutions to that issue...

paul
09-23-2009, 07:51 PM
I always hated the overpriced BINs. But, to their credit, ebay implemented a feature that allows you to select auctions only. That was a godsend.

Anthony S.
09-23-2009, 07:55 PM
I too never liked the ridiculously overpriced BINs, though I can't say they detracted that much from my eBay experience - if given an option between having them as true auctions vs having them as BINs, obviously we'd all want them to be true auctions, but we're probably dealing here with having them as overpriced BINs, or not having them at all. Keep in mind we need to minimize seller risk to attract sellers, so allowing sellers to set reserves/BINs they are comfortable with is important. Not sure how to automatically distinguish between a reasonable BIN and an overpriced one, even though we all know it when we see it. Certainly am open to any solutions to that issue...

Off the top of my head, and perhaps a horrible idea, how about allowing a seller to list an item twice at his absurdly-high BIN, and then if --- and by if I mean, when --- it doesn't sell the second time, give them the option of either removing the item from the site for 30 days or re-listing the item at a lower price. And not a penny lower, but perhaps a set percentage.

Matt
09-23-2009, 07:59 PM
Off the top of my head, and perhaps a horrible idea, how about allowing a seller to list an item twice at his absurdly-high BIN, and then if --- and by if I mean, when --- it doesn't sell the second time, give them the option of either removing the item from the site for 30 days or re-listing the item at a lower price. And not a penny lower, but perhaps a set percentage.

Anthony - I have thought of the same thing - it's not a bad idea. I'm open to other options as well...

barrysloate
09-23-2009, 08:07 PM
I thought of the same thing. If a dealer pops onto the site and lists a thousand cards with clearly overpriced BIN's, he needs to be charged a fee on each lot after a certain period of time. That's the kind of listing you really want to discourage.

Here's my early prediction: if you can develop a real auction site, in the spirit of the early days of ebay, you have an excellent chance of it being a huge success. I think collectors will love it and flock to it.

But if the site is instead mostly overpriced BIN's with very little inventory moving, then I don't think it will work. Collectors will quickly tire of it and move on.

prestigecollectibles
09-23-2009, 08:07 PM
There are so many posts that I hope I am not repeating but it looks like when you are in the Ebay baseball card category you can choose the years you want to view on the left side. If you check "Choose More" you can pick any and all years that you want to view.

mintacular
09-23-2009, 08:29 PM
what you have posted is a whole lot more complicated than clicking on one subcategory that matches your interest....that's the point. Until the avg. consumer gets use to this more sophisticated way to search for cards, cards with actual value are going be less visible as they are now thrown into a pool of 80s-90s garbage...

Also, listing hundreds of items a day will require the seller to specify more info and take more time to sell each single item. Lastly, it is very difficult to sell mixed lots as you are now constricted to choosing one attribute for each item even though the cards might be different years. For example, if you have a lot of PFG commons from 1953-59 you will need to choose one year for the whole group, whereas the old system would allow you to place that group in the "Lot of 50s" subcat. Make sense?

Anthony S.
09-23-2009, 08:34 PM
Robert, that's the method I used when I re-saved my Ebay searches yesterday. The most glaring problem with that new method, though, is that at the very bottom of that list of years is the option "not specified" and there are currently 10,000 cards in the not specified category. I'm probably not going to add those 10,000 cards to my browsing list, but what am I potentially missing out on by doing so. Hobson's Ebay.

iwantitiwinit
09-23-2009, 08:43 PM
In addition msot T206's are listed without a year so its a huge problem. The only way i can look at what i want is t206 psa or t206 sgc, etc.

mintacular
09-23-2009, 09:09 PM
the old system allowed you to search by category AND attribute...

painthistorian
09-23-2009, 09:59 PM
Easy solution-

If you are going to have a collectibles on line site...
You would have 2 types of listings, BIN/best offer type on one screen selection and low minimum bid auction style, these would both be offered but not in the same listings if you choose to filter all BIN's out just as e bay did however fees should be based on zero listing fees for auctions as they should be charged when SOLD to get more people to list this way, and offer the other format should have an upfront fee for 7-14 days, if it does not sell, you cannot relist at that price or higher for 30 days and a smaller fee schedule if it does sell.

MIXED lots should also be able to be sorted easier as everyone loves to sort through lots to break up instead of single cards(graded or ungraded)

ibuysportsephemera
09-24-2009, 07:30 AM
Leon/Matt,

Why not make the site pre-1979 sports cards and memorabilia only....A true vintage site?

Jeff

Exhibitman
09-24-2009, 10:42 AM
One of the reasons you get them more and more is that Ebay doesn't charge a seller more as the price of the BIN rises, unlike an auction. It is the same $0.35 for a $2,000 BIN as a $20 BIN. I know that I will periodically list cards that I don't really want to sell at BINs that I don't expect to get, just on the offhand chance that someone will grab the card at the BIN. If you were to construct a system where the BIN price dictates the listing cost, you would ratchet back on the silliness.

Wite3
09-24-2009, 09:11 PM
Maybe this will be a good thing...ebay will finally drive the collectors off and we can go back to having shows!

I miss the shows :(

Joshua

slidekellyslide
09-24-2009, 11:28 PM
Maybe this will be a good thing...ebay will finally drive the collectors off and we can go back to having shows!

I miss the shows :(

Joshua

Not good for those of us who live in the sticks. My collection wouldn't be 1/50th of what it is without ebay....and there have never been card shows worth a crap anywhere near here.

mintacular
09-25-2009, 12:16 AM
Don't ever say that. Just b/c you live in the "sticks" does not mean your collection is worth "1/50th". In fact, in some ways eBay represents a lower value of your collection. eBay buyers bid less due to the uncertainty factors (Are these cards really NM? Oh, and I need to subtract shipping from my top bid.)

While eBay prices are much closer to market value than Beckett HBV ones, they are not the end all, be all. You might be suprised what you could get in your local market, and if you are in the "sticks", wait for a big show in your region and pay $50 in gas to get there. It will be worth it.

In short, eBay does not make ones collection worth x50 and in many cases it reflects a lower actual value as mentioned. JMO

paul
09-25-2009, 12:23 AM
I think Dan meant he wouldn't have had the opportunity to pick up more than 1/50th of his current cards without ebay.

slidekellyslide
09-25-2009, 12:31 AM
I think Dan meant he wouldn't have had the opportunity to pick up more than 1/50th of his current cards without ebay.

Yep. That's what I meant. Because my collection is so specialized ebay is really my only reliable marketplace to pick up the items I collect. Kansas City is the closest city that would have any type of sizable card show, but is it worth my time and money to drive down there and have maybe a 1% chance of finding something that fits my collection? I'm guessing my odds would only be slightly better at the National convention of finding something that fits my collection. The end of ebay would make it verrrry difficult for me to continue collecting.

mintacular
09-25-2009, 12:57 AM
I'm just saying while eBay is convenient & quick outlet for selling your cards/collectibles, I think some people (wrongly) fall into the trap of dependency on eBay when in fact their cards can be sold at other venues, oftentimes at a HIGHER $ than eBay could command...

In short, eBay is only one of many markets to tap for selling collectibes. I have received hundreds of dollars ($ and trade) for collectibles that would have only received a fraction of that had I sold them on eBay.

chiprop
09-25-2009, 06:51 AM
Ebay is dead to me! RIP ol friend

jbsports33
09-25-2009, 12:35 PM
After a lot of phone calls and emails - my eBay response is below

they did say they will add the prewar and post war searches

these are just changes sellers and buyers will have to adjust with, but I still told them they should change back to what it was!!!

Dear James, Our apologies for not getting back to you sooner. And we sincerelyapologize for any business impact associated with the change in theSports Card categories. The change to the categories within Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop >Cards, is as announced here:http://pages.ebay.com/categorychanges/sportscards.html This change was made to eliminate the duplication between categories andItem Specifics. The Item Specifics changes were announced here:http://pages.ebay.com/sell/itemspecs.html issue we were experiencing earlier in the week, which has now beenresolved, is the ability to refine a browse or search within aparticular Sport by Product (Box, Pack, Single, Set, etc.), CardAttributes (Rookie, Serial Numbered, Autographed, Piece of Authentic),Year (selected singly or in multiples through the use of the ChooseMore.. option), Professionally Graded, and Original/Reprint. These are the refinements available for sellers to specify in the ItemSpecifics. As indicated in Seller notifications and Best Practices, itis important to fill out the Item Specifics as accurately and completelyas possible to ensure the best possible relevance of items to searchresults. We have added Team and Player as options for sellers in the ItemSpecifics, as applicable by Sport (with Driver being an option inRacing), and shortly we will be adding these options for buyers to beable further refine their browse or search. We will also be adding an Item Specific for Era (Modern, Post-WWII,Pre-WWII) in Baseball Cards, and about a week afterwards we will addthis as a buyer option as well. With the accurate use of Item Specifics, it is not necessary to searchor browse through all 205k+ cards in Baseball. One simply has to usethe filters on the left hand side, or combine these filters withspecific title searches, to reduce the results to those items ofinterest. Once again we encourage all sellers to use Item Specifics, as these arethe primary mechanism for browsing and searching within a category. If there are specific ways you like to browse or search, and/or forspecific kinds of Sports Cards, you can email that information to me andwe will do our best to help you to do comparable browsing or searchingunder the new category and Item Specifics. Sincerely,MahinaeBay Classification Team

iggyman
09-25-2009, 12:52 PM
Here is a month-old story but it relates to Ebay's demise.............err, I mean.......grand vision of catering to giant retailers and third-party vendors (ala Amazon). They are now getting some serious competition from Sears and Wal-Mart.

http://www.apparelnews.net/features/special_reports/092509-Sears-Walmart-Get-Into-eBay-Style-Business


You can now go to the Wal-Mart website and purchase a replica Mark McGwire Autographed rookie card picture for only $499. Heck, your wife can now type-in the name Babe Ruth in their search facility and walk away with some nice looking (but expensive) picture frames........http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=4125&ic=48_0&search_query=ruth


It is just a matter of time before eBay goes "poof" and reverts back to catering to the medium-size and smaller-size seller. By then it will be too late, the only question will be whether the grave will me marked or unmarked?

Lovely Day...

paul
09-25-2009, 01:01 PM
So, in their effort to reduce duplication, they are creating confusing duplication. In the "item specifics," assuming sellers even use them, they will now have a "pre-war" and a "year." Will sellers check both the pre-war box and the year box? I hope so.

Basically, what ebay has done is taken a mandatory filter (categories) and converted them into optional filters ("item specifics"). If sellers truly take the time to use the item specifics options, maybe it won't be so bad. But what was the point?

barrysloate
09-25-2009, 01:03 PM
I've looked at those item specifics when I list something to sell, but they are not always applicable. Maybe they plan on improving them. Why couldn't they just leave it alone?

Leon
09-25-2009, 01:07 PM
As I told someone this morning...I have a search set for each year below 1930 and it works. The problem is that a lot of the really neat stuff I have found doesn't have a year exactly associated with it or is not in the title. No matter what ebay says they have really screwed it up. It's their business so I guess they are doing what they think is best. Only time will show them that they are wrong. Their financial numbers, in our cards categories, will dwindle. At that time they might re-evaluate their idiocy.

tbob
09-25-2009, 01:26 PM
Yep. That's what I meant. Because my collection is so specialized ebay is really my only reliable marketplace to pick up the items I collect. Kansas City is the closest city that would have any type of sizable card show, but is it worth my time and money to drive down there and have maybe a 1% chance of finding something that fits my collection? I'm guessing my odds would only be slightly better at the National convention of finding something that fits my collection. The end of ebay would make it verrrry difficult for me to continue collecting.

As much as I sometimes want to bang my head against the wall dealing with eBay, I agree completely. Ebay has been the one constant source of securing caramel and tobacco cards for me. I do bid in auctions also and go to most Nationals but ebay has been integral in my building my collection. Also, through ebay I was able to meet many collectors, many of whom are now on Net54 but some are not. That was before ebay came up with the nitwit disguising of buyer's ids about a year or so ago. Before that you could easily contact buyers and sellers and develop online friendships with collectors.

paul
09-25-2009, 01:48 PM
So, if you check all of the pre-1930 "item specific" boxes, do you only get items for which the seller checked one of those boxes? Or do you also get items that have a title that includes a year before 1930? I think it is only the first, but it certainly would be better if it's both.

tbob
09-25-2009, 01:52 PM
Here is a month-old story but it relates to Ebay's demise.............err, I mean.......grand vision of catering to giant retailers and third-party vendors (ala Amazon). They are now getting some serious competition from Sears and Wal-Mart.

http://www.apparelnews.net/features/special_reports/092509-Sears-Walmart-Get-Into-eBay-Style-Business


You can now go to the Wal-Mart website and purchase a replica Mark McGwire Autographed rookie card picture for only $499. Heck, your wife can now type-in the name Babe Ruth in their search facility and walk away with some nice looking (but expensive) picture frames........http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_constraint=4125&ic=48_0&search_query=ruth


It is just a matter of time before eBay goes "poof" and reverts back to catering to the medium-size and smaller-size seller. By then it will be too late, the only question will be whether the grave will me marked or unmarked?

Lovely Day...

Gosh you can get a heavily circulated, beaten up 1936 nickel for only $400 on WalMart.com, what a deal! :rolleyes:

iggyman
09-25-2009, 02:18 PM
Gosh you can get a heavily circulated, beaten up 1936 nickel for only $400 on WalMart.com, what a deal! :rolleyes:


And this is the business model that eBay is striving to replicate. Phase-out the auction format because it is so 1990's (plus, their research have showned that people are weary of them). Get the power sellers and third-party retailers to sell everthing via buy-it-now.

Lovely Day...

HRBAKER
09-25-2009, 03:31 PM
I might suggest is that any sellers that read this board start using the phrase "pre 1930" in their auction headers or listings. Wouldn't that turn up on a search?
Maybe something as simple as "P30" would work.

Edwolf1963
09-26-2009, 12:45 AM
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?LH_Auction=1&LH_NOB=2..&_nkw=%28t-206%2C+t206%29+-%28repr*%2C+topps%2C+%22honus%22%2C+rp%2C+ericsson %2C+titanium%2C+200*%2C+%22randy+johnson%22%2C+nai l%2C+tickets%2C+doors%2C+tibetan%2C+mantle%2C+goud ey%2C+porc*%2C+canvas%2C+seats%2C+ticke*%2C+nails% 2C+ericss*%2C+cessna%2Cetop*%29&_trkparms=65%253A1%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1&_dmd=1&_dmpt=US_Baseball&_ipg=200&_sop=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

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