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orator1
09-16-2009, 02:08 PM
Of the 8 cards in this 1886 set I've only seen Welch and Deasley, which are posted below.
I'd like to see if we can put together a photo checklist of this rare set, which to my knowledge hasn't been attempted before.

Does anyone recall H812 NY BB Club cards being offered at auction?
If you have a photo or scan of these cards or know where they might be found, please post.

1. Deasley
2. Dorgan
3. Estebrook
4. Ewing
5. Gerhardt
6. O'Rourke
7. Richardson
8. Welch

Note - I haven't yet figured out how to make posted images the same size.

Leon
09-16-2009, 07:13 PM
I have seen a scan of the Ewing. I think it was sold in a major auction 15-20 years ago. I didn't keep it. :(

orator1
09-16-2009, 08:18 PM
For those who have seen the Burdick Collection, do you recall any H812 NY BB Club cards?

barrysloate
09-16-2009, 08:27 PM
I don't recall seeing any in the Burdick Collection, but due to their size they probably would have been in a different album or box than the cigarette cards. I don't think Burdick had any.

orator1
09-16-2009, 09:09 PM
Barry, have you seen any of these cards before during your years in the business - and if so how long ago?
I'm trying to get an idea of how rare they really are.

Eight cards appear on several checklists, so is it safe to assume they have all been verified to exist?

barrysloate
09-17-2009, 06:28 AM
Paul- I've virtually never seen any. Perhaps only the one pictured in the Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards, and that's it. They are extremely rare.

Leon
09-17-2009, 09:07 AM
I think this H812 set is one of the rarest 19th century sets there is. I used to own the Welch when I was still doing the 1800's cards. I think I remember that most of them are known but all but 2-3 have the bottoms trimmed off of them. I think there might have been a group of them on ebay one time.....but again, all of the bottom ads were cut off. IF they weren't on ebay, I at least know there was a group of 6-7 somewhere that I remember....

orator1
09-17-2009, 09:55 AM
I just checked Lipset's Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards and the card pictured is the Welch above. When he described the H812 set only 3 poses were known at the time: Welch, Deasley, and Ewing.

E93
09-17-2009, 12:24 PM
Eight cards appear on several checklists, so is it safe to assume they have all been verified to exist?

I would NOT assume they exist just because they appear on a checklist. It only takes one careless checklister to assume they must have made cards for the whole team and put them all on the list. Then others copy that list with the assumption that the guy before him verified them. I would go with Lew's list of three and wait for verification on any others. This is a potential issue with other very rare sets as well like N167.
JimB

felada
09-17-2009, 12:57 PM
there was a group of about five cards that sold in an REA auction a long time ago. All were trimmed.

E93
09-17-2009, 01:15 PM
Do you remember which REA auction it was?
JimB

barrysloate
09-17-2009, 05:04 PM
I tried several different searches on REA's website and nothing came up.

mzm55
09-17-2009, 05:43 PM
According to my notes, in REA's 1995 auction, a complete set of eight H812s were sold. All were trimmed. I don't have my catalog at hand as I'm away from home at school. Maybe someone else can confirm that this is correct.

barrysloate
09-17-2009, 06:43 PM
Lot 776 of REA's 1995 auction was indeed a group of eight H812. The lot included: Ewing, Ward, Keefe, Welch, Richardson, Gillespie, Deasly, and O'Rourke. All were trimmed down to the portrait and shoulders only. The lot realized $4144.

orator1
09-17-2009, 08:46 PM
Wow, you guys are amazing to remember that auction lot from 14 years ago!

Ward, Keefe, and Gillespie are not listed in the SCBC or elsewhere that I've seen, so we now have 3 additional verified cards in this set!

Dorgan, Estebrook, and Gerhardt are on the SCBC H812 checklist but are not yet verified with a photo.

If someone can post a scan of the H812 cards from that 1995 auction catalog please do so.

1. Deasley
2. Dorgan
3. Estebrook
4. Ewing
5. Gerhardt
6. O'Rourke
7. Richardson
8. Welch

9. Ward
10. Keefe
11. Gillespie

barrysloate
09-17-2009, 08:49 PM
Paul- only a single card was pictured. Those were the old days.

orator1
09-17-2009, 08:59 PM
Which card was pictured?

barrysloate
09-17-2009, 09:07 PM
John Ward.

orator1
09-23-2009, 03:27 PM
Here is the Ewing H812 from the 1991 Copeland auction.