September Pickups Thread

[perezfan]

Since one hasn't started up yet, I thought I would get a "pickups" thread going...

Here is a Joe Jackson Mini Decal Bat, which was incorrectly touted as a Ty Cobb Bat on Ebay. Also a Turn of the Century Austrian Plate, which will match a large Pitcher I have from the same series. Many thanks to Mike H for making me aware of this one!

Both pieces (surprisingly) came from ebay at "recession era" prices....

[slidekellyslide]

Wow...nice stuff Mark, I missed this thread when you started it.

Nothing big here, just a rppc of a night game in the Nebraska State League from the 1950s. The team that played here was affiliated with the New York Yankees. This is the first time I've seen this postcard though so I think it is rather uncommon.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/nudan92/Nebraska%20Town%20Team%20Photos%20and%20Postcards/Kearney.jpg

[rickybulldog50]

Wow! Mark, that bat is great! Picked up these 2 boxes so far.
D&M Red Worthington and a Marathon Charlie Root.

[Rob D.]

Arrived safely today. Whew.

[perezfan]

Rob...

Hate to be "premature" with the congtats (and certainly don't want to jinx anything) but IF that thing arrives as it should, that's a magnificent pickup.

Very nice price, too... since these come along maybe once every 4 years, you did amazingly well... what a beauty!

Could there possibly be any Indians Pennants remaining on your wantlist?

[Rob D.]

Thanks, Mark.

That was the last one on the want list.

[lefty147]

Great pennant Rob. Mike

[baseball tourist]

Found this weekend at junk shops in Vancouver:

A 1968 Vancouver Mounties, team signed, presentation bat w/ Mickey Vernon, and 1968 season pass; a 1960's? fiberglass game worn batting helmet (unknown team) and a 1940's baseball board game and couple of Vancouver Canadians seat cushions (nice for the metal seats in the grandstand at the "Nat".

[bigfish]

Not sure what year they are but they are old....

[khkco4bls]

bigfish, if your interested in trade or selling the hat let me know... baseballrelics@yahoo.com. thanks

[ksfarmboy]

Rob, do you have the 1920 Indians World Series pennant?

Clint

[CarltonHendricks]

Not sure what year they are but they are old....

Bigfish, Let's hear the details how you "picked up" a pillbox cap...can you give the who, what, where, on that? Anything you can divuldge would be interesting....you don't see them often.....I got one about 20 years ago from Josh Evans at a National...I think it was in 1989....I remember asking him where he got it...said got it from a guy in Boston, and that he'd been trying to get it a long time.
<img src="http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc120/CarltonHendricks/pillboxtight.jpg">

[bigfish]

I bought both items at two different locations in New England. The mask was bought in a sports lot at a local auction and the hat in an antique mall. Wish I had the bat in your picture. I know baseball cards very well but the equipment is not my bag. Thought I would post for others to see.

Toby

[milkit1]

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[vintagesportflips]

Beautful Pickups guys, I especially love the decal bat and Naps pennant. I have picked up a bunch of stuff lately but haven't photographed any of it yet. But one I thing I did pickup and scan is this small baseball broadside for a baseball game played in Michigan. I believe it is for either a town team or high school team game, but the interesting part for me is the sort of "undercard" of the game between the South Side Independents and Colored Giants. I believe this could be a sort of barntsorming game. I know an african american team called the Texas Colored Giants toured all over the country and Canada during the early 1930s. I know that July 25 was a Sunday in 1909, 1920, and 1937, so I am not sure what exact year this broadside dates too. I hope to narrow this one down with some further research.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n193/kjjavic/baseballbroadside.jpg
The slight rippling in the photo is from a plastic sleeve that holds the broadside.

[John V]

Rob D. or others,
What's a Nap, or what are Naps?

[BrockJacob]

John,
The team was actually named for Napoleon Lajoie.

[BrockJacob]

This is one of those things I've wanted for quite a while but have held off as these are usually found in quite poor condition. This one is far from mint but about as good as I've seen. Given how these were used I figure there probably are not many floating around in really nice shape so I was happy with this one.

[ksfarmboy]

Picked up a couple exhibition programs at Wichita of the Cards vs White Sox and the Red Sox vs the Cubs. Also picked up a football which is kind of baseball related.

[vintagesportflips]

Hello Clint,
I saw your post over on the game used forum as well. Nice Bo Jackson ball. I have a large collection of Eagles game balls - about 18 right now, and a few non Eagles. I have a couple of game balls in identical design as your Bo Jackson ball - one is a Rams game ball and the other is a Vikings ball, so I am assuming that those teams all farmed the painting out to the same company/artist (one of my balls is mark "The Ball Company)

On a related note, I recently picked up three Eagles game balls from a relative of former Eagles owner Leonard Tose. Tose's story is a fairly sad one in that he owned a huge trucking company and the Eagles, only to lose it all due to a massive gambling problem.

Here are my newest Eagles game balls, as well as the other ones I mentioned that look like your ball.

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp36/VintagePigskin/ToseBall3crop.jpg
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp36/VintagePigskin/ToseBall2crop.jpg
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp36/VintagePigskin/ToseBall1crop.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n193/kjjavic/vik1.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n193/kjjavic/gary1-2.jpg

[ksfarmboy]

Keith, thanks for posting those pictures. It does look very similar to the bottom two. I was hoping mine was the real deal. At the card shop I looked for info on the game and one of his cards said he got 91 yards rushing. When I got home and pulled the game up he scored 3 tds and had 221 yards rushing. It was also the game he ran Bosworth over. It got me thinking maybe it's too good to be true. There is a name on the back Omar Valdes. I guess he might be the guy that painted it.

Great footballs by the way and thanks for the help.

[vintagesportflips]

No problem Clint. I definetly think your ball is the real deal. Nice pickup. I bet Raiders fans would be drooling over that ball.

Another recent pickup of mine is this group of circa 1910 college pennants. The sizes vary, mostly in the 30 inch to 45 inch range, but one of them is a mammoth and the largest pennant I have come across.
This pennant has Lincoln on it, and measures 71 inches long without its tassles (just shy of 6 feet!) and about 33 inches wide, and I picture it below next to two other normal sized Lincoln pennants.

Acually a question for Dan Bretta - I have checked every Lincoln school that I can find and none of them had Black and Red school colors, any chance of Lincoln Nebraska connection to these?

About half of the pennants (including the huge one) have circa 1910 Spalding tags on them (according to some Spalding tag guides - date to 1908-1910)

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp36/VintagePigskin/PennantGroup.jpg
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp36/VintagePigskin/LincolnPennants.jpg
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp36/VintagePigskin/LincolnTags.jpg

[slidekellyslide]

Black and Red are the colors of Lincoln High School. That would be my best guess. I could not tell you if they are baseball related to one of Lincoln's minor league clubs because I have no idea what colors the teams wore pre-1947 but I don't think it was black/red.

Very cool pennants btw...may I ask where you picked them up?

[vintagesportflips]

Thanks for the info Dan.
They were ebay pickups, in 2 seperate groups. The top 5 in the group photo came in one lot, the others with the huge Lincoln pennant showed up on ebay as a buy it now a couple of weeks ago, and the auction actually didn't even show the big Lincoln pennant or mention its exact size other than to say there was a larger pennant in the group.

[vintagesportflips]

Very nice pillbox cap. I have never seen one come up for sale, what do you these usually sell for?

[Oldtix]

A week or so ago, "thekingofclout" started a threat about Ohio baseball items. An early responder was "jantz", who posted a 1920 photo of an Indians player and he noted the player's black Ray Chapman memorial armband.

At a paper collectibles show yesterday, I spotted a stack of 17 unidentified vintage baseball snapshots on a dealer's table. He didn't know anything about them, but the Indians player in the top photo was wearing one of those black armbands! The other photos included shots of fans entering the ballpark, stadium views and field-level shots of several ballplayers and the opponent's dugout. Needless to say, I purchased the stack.

And now, as Paul Harvey would say, "the rest of the story"...I knew as soon as I saw the images of the portly manager of the Indians opponent but the truth was confirmed when I resized a shot of the scoreboard. The visiting team was Brooklyn. The snapshots are images of the 1920 World Series!

Thanks to my net54 comrades in helping make this wonderful acquisition!

[slidekellyslide]

Excellent score Rick, how about a few scans of the photos? My favorite baseball photos are fan taken snapshots.

[Jantz]

Rick

Nice find! Little surprises like that at a show can really make collecting fun. Do any of the photos show any other recognizable players?


Jantz

[Oldtix]

I'll start a new thread and see if members can help with the IDs. I'm pretty confident about Wilbert Robinson and Tris Speaker but would appreciate the confirmation of others.

[Vintagecatcher]

I found this Close's Candy Tin while traveling the back roads of New Hampshire yesterday. I'm sure a E94 collector might have some interest in trading for it. The tin is approximately 8 1/4" tall with a 5 1/4" diameter.


Patrick

[slidekellyslide]

Just got these in the mail today - two previously unknown Nebraska Indians postcards. Possibly one of a kinds?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/nudan92/Nebraska%20Indians%20Baseball%20Team/greens2.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/nudan92/Nebraska%20Indians%20Baseball%20Team/greens1.jpg

[perezfan]

LOVE those photos, Dan...

It is so cool to see an actual bead-weld catchers mask in use, on that first photo! That style of mask is highly sought-after today.

The Bat is pretty amazing as well, with the thick flared handle and barrell-end that appears almost cut-off...

[ksfarmboy]

Dan, those are amazing, great find. That second postcard has great clarity.

CLint

[Jay Wolt]

Dan - nice postcards
the bottom one has a guy who looks a bit like Walter Johnson

[thekingofclout]

vintage original TYPE I photographs. Both are the first of their kind that I've seen.

1941 - DiMaggio's streak ends at 56!
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And Mrs. DiMaggio by Bert Stern 1962.
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[ksfarmboy]

Pretty excited to get this in the mail today. 1983 Mike Boddicker jersey. Boddicker was the ALCS MVP and won a game in the WS that year.

[slidekellyslide]

Dan - nice postcards
the bottom one has a guy who looks a bit like Walter Johnson

Thanks Jay, that fellow is Dan Tobey...Not sure who the other fellow is, but I'm guessing he is the trainer for the team.

Jeffrey Powers-Beck has a new book coming out next week about the Nebraska Indians and I'm hopeful there is a lot of info in there that I don't already have...I'm intrigued as there is a book or article mentioned "Experiences with an Indian Ball Team" (1908) that I've never heard of.

http://www.amazon.com/Nebraska-Indians-Frolic-Indian-Baseball/dp/0786443596/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253030802&sr=8-1

Product Description
This is the first book that includes all of Guy W. Green's baseball writings: "A Complete History of the Nebraska Indians Base Ball Team" (1903), "Fun and Frolic with an Indian Ball Team" (1904), and "Experiences with an Indian Ball Team" (1908). The works detail the athletic success and humorous escapades of the most famous American Indian barnstorming baseball team. A substantial introduction provides historical background on the formation of the team; on Green's life, writings, and other ventures; and on the later history and owners of the Nebraska Indians after Green sold the team.

About the Author
Jeffrey P. Beck is associate dean of graduate studies in the English department at East Tennessee State University in Johnson City, Tennessee.

[slidekellyslide]

Clint, nice jersey...Boddicker was one of my faves when he pitched for the Red Sox.

How many O's jerseys does that make it now?

[baseball tourist]

Wish it was the entire game, but the size (20.5" by 9.25") and the strong, colorful graphics make this a cool piece for framing. Included two small, wooden? footballs that may or may not have belonged to the game...but they look like the footballs shown on the box.

[MVSNYC]

i got the bug again for vintage ticket stubs...

1910 Pitt
c. 1919-22 Yanks
c. 1920 ? Cubs

[ksfarmboy]

Thanks Dan. This one makes 10. I might go for the Orioles 20 game winners that used knits. The Palmer will be next to impossible due to the cost though.

Clint

[thekingofclout]

Although the "Pine Tar Game" is still fresh in many of our memories, original TYPE I photographs of Brett going completely nuts are almost non-existent, as most of the photo services had been phasing out wirephotos, and by 1982 Laserphoto II was introduced.

Incredibly, this is the first of any TYPE photo that I've seen of this highlight mainstay...

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and it fits right in with my ticket stub and scored program :D
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[GrayGhost]

I remember watching that game with my mom. Indelible memory, along with the 78 playoff. Thaks for sharing the awesome package, Jimmy.

[MVSNYC]

i was watching that game at my grandparent's house (it was one of our italian sunday dinners)...none of us could believe how nuts he went!...

[ibuysportsephemera]

I am not a Yankees fan (proud Mets fan who has taken his lumps over the years) but I happened to be watching that game and remember it like it was yesterday.

Great photo Jimmy.

[Lordstan]

My 63rd out of 96
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/lordstan/1934%20goudeys/34walker002.jpg

2 more for the HOF yearbook collection
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v222/lordstan/HOF%20Yearbooks/
1946
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/lordstan/HOF%20Yearbooks/HOF1946.jpg
1949
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/lordstan/HOF%20Yearbooks/HOF1949-1.jpg

[Kawika]

Mark: Your signed '34 Goudey collection is very impressive and this is a particularly fine addition, a well placed sig on a good looking card.

PS. I owe you an e-mail and will respond later today.

DMcD

[Lordstan]

Thanks for the kind words David.
It was a regular old set that I started because I collected Lou Gehrig items. Somewhere along the ride, I got a few that were signed through the mail, but the passion started with the Pinky Higgins card. 1986, I think, in a show in Cincinatti. I paid $30 for it. I decided that day to go with signed cards from that point on. The process has progressed in 2 parts. First 25 or so from 1979-1992. Next 38 2002-present.
It's always exciting to find a new one.
Funny story about this card. I lost auctions for this card twice in the past 3yrs with bids over $200. I won this one for $28. As I learned from my father..."Be patient. If you see one, you'll likely likely see another." Not always true with some of the incredible stuff many people on the board collect, but works for most things.

MarK

PS: No rush on the email. Life is busy. Whenever you can is fine. I'm not going anywhere.

[Ladder7]

Not sure why I wanted this one... October 4,1919 Game 4 at Chitown. Cicotte vs Ring. Reds win 2-0.

The Lyric Theatre, Rahway NJ since demolished;
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/Ephemera/1919lyrictheatre.jpg

[Oldtix]

[QUOTE=Ladder7;751543]Not sure why I wanted this one... October 4,1919 Game 4 at Chitown. Cicotte vs Ring. Reds win 2-0.

The Lyric Theatre, Rahway NJ since demolished;

Spectacular shot.

[BrockJacob]

Just got this in today. Something I've wanted for a while and was very pleased with the price.

[khkco4bls]

nice piece, but it looks faded. where was it purchased.

[thekingofclout]

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[perezfan]

That Denkert Mitt is pristine.... makes you wonder how it withstood all those years, untouched by time.

Here's one that I picked up in Mears... not Mint like Jimmy's, but still in great shape considering its age. It's a turn of the century Buckskin Workman's glove. Rare to find these still in tact, without the asbestos lining chewed to shreds (or missing completely...)

[rickybulldog50]

Absolutely thrilled to pick this up! I've always wanted a photo box! Great gloves guys!

[BrockJacob]

nice piece, but it looks faded. where was it purchased.

The silk itself is a little faded. I figure its to be expected after some 120-130 years. But the mat is in really nice shape and still has the original advertisement on the back.
And it came off ebay.

[base_ball]

Love that Stevengraph, Brock. It looks much better than it appeared in its online depiction...in fact, I can say with, ehem, great authority that the underbidder would have cost you even more money if he knew it was so nice. True, it's a bit faded and not perfect, but these are quite hard to come by. Nice pickup.

[Mr. Mitt]

That Denkert Mitt is pristine.... makes you wonder how it withstood all those years, untouched by time.

Here's one that I picked up in Mears... not Mint like Jimmy's, but still in great shape considering its age. It's a turn of the century Buckskin Workman's glove. Rare to find these still in tact, without the asbestos lining chewed to shreds (or missing completely...)


It's a nice looking glove, but a full-web about 10-15 years past turn of the century, and definitely not a workman's glove (who's time of production was long over by the time the turn of the century came along). I hate the semantic games sellers and auction houses play in descriptions. The definition of "turn of the century" is open ended, but a decade after, to me, is not 1900. More importantly, "workman's style" is NOT a workman's glove. Workman's gloves do not have webbings of any kind. MEARS' photo, it appears, tried to hide the fact that there is a full web on this glove. I truly hope you noticed this and weren't fooled by the camera angle.

The other misrepresentation that's too prevalent in glove descriptions (though not in this case) is calling any crescent glove a workman's. Workman's gloves do not have crescents, they predated them. The chronology of glove production through the early part of the century is:

Fingerless
Workman's (no web and no crescent)
Webless Crescent
Crescent with a Web
Full Web (no crescent)
One Inch Web

Even this outline could be further defined. Webless crescents are perfect examples. Earlier specimens are narrower and taller compared to squatter, shorter models that followed.

In any event, be careful with auction descriptions as they don't always correctly represent the the item. The MEARS write-up was not untruthful, but semantics were played with to make the glove appear more desirable than it truly is by loosely throwing terms around.

[Mr. Mitt]

If that were a true workman's glove, given it's condition and having a patch (the earliest manufacturer's patch on a glove appeared on webless crescents), it would have been a steel 10x higher than its hammer price. It likely would have approached five figures.

[perezfan]

Well, I suppose Bushing and Kinunen should have known better than to portray it that way. Still, I like the glove for what I paid. I switched over to that one after Ricky outbid me on the Hornsby w/Box...

My finger was on the key to bid again on the Hornsby, but I switched to this one, and refrained. Even if it's not a workman's glove, its a nice full-web from a rare manufacturer.

Ricky... please tell me you would have gone another increment higher on Hornsby, so I don't have to see that damned thing in my sleep tonight! I thought it was a great piece for that money...

[rickybulldog50]

Jerry you are right on about the workmen's glove. Glad you are happy with it Mark. It is a nice white full web. Unique patch. Is it Canadian? Nice look! Oh and to put your mind at ease, I had that one max'd a lot higher! ;)

[Mr. Mitt]

Like I said, it's a nice glove and a really cool Canadian patch, just that the description implied something that it wasn't. I'm glad that it didn't skyrocket to a workman's price, that would have been criminal.

Seems that there are two types of sellers that use the term "workman's glove" loosely... those that don't know better and those that try to take advantage of an unsuspected buyer. Unfortunately, both occur too often. The more one can educate oneself about different intricacies of these old pieces of leather, the better. Forums like this definitely help.

[jessjen2]

I absolutely agree with Mr Mitt that the word " workman's style" is used way too often to try and entice a much higher sale price on a piece of leather. I have to admit that the first time I stumbled across that auction, I immediately put it on my watch list. But upon viewing the pictures more closely, I recognized the glove as a lower tiered full web. It does not even have a workman's look to it. Don't get me wrong on this Perezfan, it is a very nice example with a nice patch. But it does lack some of the qualities of a top of the line glove. That being said, all that that matters is that you're happy with your purchase.;)

Ricky, that's a great pickup. Nice box and glove!!

[perezfan]

Well I'm getting a lot less happy as this thread evolves. I have now gone from "happy" to "indifferent". But that's all right... as Mr. Mitt said, at least it didn't escalate to a "workman's price".

For under $300 (with the juice) I don't think it was a horrible purchase. I have had trouble finding gloves of this vintage without ink, chafing, holes, tears, seam splits, missing tags, detached webs, broken laces, torn lining and/or other flaws... all of which this one seems free of.

I just hope there are no more "surprises" when this one arrives, and that they didn't gloss over any condition issues. One would hope not, from an outfit like Mears. With regards to Ebay, I pass on most of these gloves, as the sellers' descriptions never seem to mention any flaws. The photos never quite reveal them either. Hope this time is different, as the misleading description was troubling enough...

[vintagebrett]

Mark, the size might be a surprise to you as well. This glove has floated from dealer to dealer at the last couple Nationals. It is very small. The leather and tagging are nice but it is very tiny. Don't be shocked when you take it out of the box.

[perezfan]

Thanks Brett... that's enough "stuff" now, that I think I'll give Troy a call on Monday ("indifferent" has now turned to "upset").

Please be sure to say hi to your Dad for me, and let him know that a couple more Bats are soon coming his way...

[Baseball Glove Collector]

Sorry Mark. I just read all the posts and they are absolutely right. This is a little glove from the teens. Cool tag though but it looks small like Brett says. The number one glove description violation is overuse of the term "workman". Once again, a workman glove has no web and no crescent padded heel. There are no exceptions to this rule and any time you see "workman style" or "workman type", run like hell. A true workman would look ever so primitive and there is not a true workman's glove known with a manufacturer's tag on it. I wish you luck in your resolution.

I got the Gordon in that auction. Now that I got both the Red and Green Gordon boxes, I can permanently check Gordon off the list. This will be my 43rd Gordon over the years. I'm done.

JD
www.baseballglovecollector.com

[thekingofclout]

The Yankee Clipper's streak comes to a halt at 56.

Extremely scarce vintage original TYPE I photograph.

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[ksfarmboy]

Picked up a couple more jerseys. A 79 Orioles and a 73-75 Wichita Aeros jersey. I promise my next pick-up will be prewar. :)

Clint

[slidekellyslide]

Picked up a cool colorized 8x10 photo of Husker slugger Ed Kotab...on the reverse is a cutout from the Lincoln newspaper of a drawing of the same photo.

[ksfarmboy]

Dan, that's a great photo. Colorized photos from that era must be fairly rare. I wonder if they made them for the whole team?

Clint

[slidekellyslide]

I sure haven't seen very many colorized photos from that era. I think this must have originated from Kotab's estate at some point (found it on ebay from a Kansas seller)..About 6 months ago I lost out on a charm from his conference champion team.

[ksfarmboy]

Just came in the mail. 1921-25 Chas. Hollocher mini bat.

[baseballart]

Not in the greatest shape, but it's my first flannel sample catalogue

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2512/3961159474_f76a9c6362_o.jpg

[GGterps]

I picked this uniform and cap up last weekend at a flea market. The cap is labeled inside, came from the Princeton University Store. It seems to me too small to fit on a adult man's head, however the uniform is large boy/man sized so I am not sure. There are no labels in the uniform, it appears to be hand sewn and made of what reminds me of old matress material. Notice the Heart that forms the cross of the "A" on the shirt..maybe the Angels?
Sorry the pic are not better. Thanks Greg