Past events that i will address.......

[Reginald Marsh]

In the past few weeks i have recieved some messages in regards to past conversations and posts here on Net54 by members. In general the posts seem to hover around Joann and a few others in regards to statements i have made. Also there could be a perception of how i feel in regards to some members on the board that i feel is wrong because i do not hate anyone.

Normally i would not post this on the main message board but hopefully we can all stop thinking about the past because there is nothing more annoying than someone constantly bringing up the past or the fact in 1908 they walked to school in 5 feet of snow 14 miles each day for 7 years.......

The messages i have recieved generally bring up Joann, Steve F, Rawn, Barry Sloate, Peter Spaeth and a few others. I'm being totally honest when i say i do not hate these people or have any thoughts of ill will towards them. My idealogy and also aspects of my life are very different from theirs and we do not see eye to eye on alot of viewpoints GASP- welcome to America or should i say jungle.

Some people feel i owe apologies to some of these folks and feel that i have crossed lines that they deem unfair and here is my response to that. Most of things i stated were in jest and reponses to hijacks on my threads. If everyone would be politically correct then the world would be BORING! Folks like Eddie Murphy, David Letterman, Dice Clay, Johnny Carson all brought laughter and created all kinds of drama with their sense of humor and if you did not like them then turn the channel.

I see that with the Joann situation some folks are offended and feel that i owe an apology to her for my comments. My thoughts on that have not changed and they never will, i honestly feel what i said was in jest and very mild to what happens in the world today. At the same auction i bought the artwork and book a woman in her late 30's was bidding on a diamond ring and i outbid her and she glared at me and shrugged, i then said don't make me take my belt off and she started laughing. She walked up and apologized and said she just loved the ring and thought she would win it and that she should not have gave me a dirty look, my response was well sweetheart it is a public auction and money is only dirty paper so you should have stayed on the ring. I ended up selling her the ring for 40 bucks over what i payed and it made her day GASP- she did not call Jane Fonda because of my belt comment GASP- i was not instantly beaten to death for actually having a response to her glare.

My point to all of this is very simple. Computers do not have voice inflection or expression so alot of things that are said are taken the wrong way. I really have nothing against Peter Spaeth because jeez the guy is a corporate attorney for god's sakes and really i'm just busting his chops and hopefully he does not feel i hate him because i do not. In regards to Rambo i know he realizes i am only kidding and really i enjoy his posts because he is hilarious. I thought with Joann that we had agreed to disagree so really i have not given it a second thought and i have no grudge or negative thoughts towards her. I just try and give Barry Sloate the needle but i see he could have never cut it hanging out with the likes of some of the baseball players he loves so i have stopped and will not horse around in regards to him.

Hopefully this has addressed some concerns and we can start living for tommorrow because yesterday is gone. I'm not posting anymore about my thoughts in regards to these folks and i hope they all have a merry life and find many Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb backs:D

[Rich Klein]

One advantage of this new board is that you can post many versions of smiles next to a comment. Therefore; if a comment is supposed to be a kidding one; you can put a :) and a ;) next to your comment and that will make it obvious you are kidding to some extent.

And on a serious note; this public apology is a good start and chance to start over; you do appreciate these cards and have fun with them and there is nothing wrong with that. And if you stay with less "noize" and more comments like the estate sale issues; you'll have just as much fun on the board with a lot less drama

Regards
Rich

[Jim VB]

...this public apology is a good start and chance to start over...



???? That was an apology?

[Ladder7]

Okay, It's clear. You are and always will be a pr!ck. Now be useful and help figure the Wrigley Field thread in the Mem. forum.

[barrysloate]

Marshall- I had told Leon I was no longer going to respond to you, but the nature of this post dictates I do otherwise.

People who know me know that I have a pretty good sense of humor and that I have no trouble being the butt of a good joke. But what you see as needling I see as poor manners. No matter how funny, politically incorrect, or irreverent you think you might be there is still a need to be respectful and courteous. In that arena your batting average is near zero. If you think calling me Barry Goat is funny may I suggest that stand up comedy is not a good field for you to pursue.

Nevertheless I appreciate your comments and I agree with can all live peacefully on this board. Carry on.

[Jewish-collector]

Leave Marshall alone. He's a good man.

This one's for you, Marshall http://vbbc.forumotion.com/users/17/23/61/smiles/136179.gif

[Ladder7]

Alan, I was being complimentary. My father always called me that, and he had unquestionable love for his kids.

[Al C.risafulli]

Another fine card-related post from poor, misunderstood Marshall.

-Al

[oldjudge]

Actually, Barry Goat is kinda funny

[Reginald Marsh]

Another positive response from the king of positive vibes Al C. You see Al the point i was trying to make is that if you have nothing positive to say then do not post. I do not think i am misunderstood, i think a majority of folks understand me quite well. Take Rambo for instance he just had me rolling with his post so it's all good.

Rich.....i understand your point but it does not take a rocket scientist to tell when someone is joking around.

[barrysloate]

Jay- it's too easy. A good joke takes a little more ingenuity.;)

[Reginald Marsh]

Ok Barry we all know you cannot take a joke and the route you took in handling it was shall we say cheesy at best, i'm sure your computer keys have cheese all over them. I personally thought Barry Goat was hilarious but since your so ultra sensitive and your skin is about as thick as say a E121 i stopped joking around and have since stopped calling you that. By the way oh how dare anyone make fun of me i did not see you apologize to Dick for making false assumptions in regards to him marketing and selling a product which was out of line but ohhhhhhhhhh.........that's right your like so ultra cool that you are allowed to talk smack and get away with it.

[timn1]

Ok Barry we all know you cannot take a joke and the route you took in handling it was shall we say cheesy at best, i'm sure your computer keys have cheese all over them. I personally thought Barry Goat was hilarious but since your so ultra sensitive and your skin is about as thick as say a E121 i stopped joking around and have since stopped calling you that. By the way oh how dare anyone make fun of me i did not see you apologize to Dick for making false assumptions in regards to him marketing and selling a product which was out of line but ohhhhhhhhhh.........that's right your like so ultra cool that you are allowed to talk smack and get away with it.

So much for apologies.

Barry Sloate has to be about the easiest guy on the whole board to get along with-- if you can't do it, that says something about you, and it's not good--

[Reginald Marsh]

I understand you probably run his fanclub Tim and it's great that you get along with him, it's not that i do not get along with the guy and i have nothing against him personally. For me he kinda jumps in on posts and spouts off and if someone responds then he gets pissed or offended with some self entitlement fit for a king. Barry it's all good and i have nothing against you so carry on and keep selling cardboard.

[Jacklitsch]

Reginald Marsh
member

Who is this? Is this Marshall Barkman (sp?)? I've kinda been out of the loop on what's been going on.

[barrysloate]

Yes Steve, it is...and thanks Tim for your support.

Marshall my skin is thick, but I guess your humor just goes over my head. What can I say?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Reginald Marsh
member

Who is this? Is this Marshall Barkman (sp?)? I've kinda been out of the loop on what's been going on.

OH it's a "k", I thought it was an "f".

EDIT TO ADD
:) <--------------------------

[Adam]

Shouldn't this thread be marked with an "OT" in the title. I hope we get back to threads about cards. Thought that was the point of this whole board.

[Jim VB]

Adam,

I agree, but there seem to be two posters in particular, who have become lightning rods.

I suppose that's not really such a bad percentage. Life in general had a much higher ratio of idiots.

As Quan suggested the other day, this new board does have an "ignore" feature that allows you to skip all of an individual's posts. On the off chance that one of these guys makes a relevant post, you'd have to count on someone else alerting you.

[Rob D.]

What a bummer it must be to run out of dollar bills at the local strip club and have everyone stop paying attention to you. What to do, what to do?

Hmmm, maybe head over to Net54Baseball.com and make a post that's all about ... me! Me, me, wonderful me! Everyone, look at me! Comment about me!

I guess this thread is Marshall's personal champagne room.

[Jim VB]

What a bummer it must be to run out of dollar bills at the local strip club and have everyone stop paying attention to you. What to do, what to do?

Hmmm, maybe head over to Net54Baseball.com and make a post that's all about ... me! Me, me, wonderful me! Everyone, look at me! Comment about me!

I guess this thread is Marshall's personal champagne room.

Did I say 2? Maybe I meant 3. :D

[Rob D.]

I aspire to lie low. Like you, Jim.

[Jim VB]

I aspire to lie low. Like you, Jim.

LOL!

Rob D. - Keeping Readership Down (since 2008)

[Al C.risafulli]

You see Al the point i was trying to make is that if you have nothing positive to say then do not post. I do not think i am misunderstood, i think a majority of folks understand me quite well.

I think everyone here understands you, Marshall, and that is very much the point.

You're happy to suggest that someone who has nothing positive to say should not post, but you're not content to take your own advice. What could have served as a nice try at an apology instead came off as another self-serving rant that placed the blame at the feet of those people who are offended by your inane yammering.

It could have gone like this:

MARSHALL: I'm really sorry for being insensitive and coming off like an idiot; I really enjoy this community and I'd like to be a part of it.

COMMUNITY: Well, okay, we'll give it another shot.

Instead, it goes like this:

MARSHALL: If you don't like the things I say, then you shouldn't listen, and you definitely shouldn't take offense because I'm only joking.

COMMUNITY: (anger)

But you don't get it, because there's clearly something wrong with your digestive system which is causing your intestinal gas to back up into your brain.

Aside from prattling on about your peace pipe cards and your hundred-dollar auction, I have seen absolutely zero useful, on-topic posts from you. You exist solely to type irritating and insulting things, pull the board off-topic, and generally get people pissed.

So yeah, I'm irritated that you're here again. You're like the Swine Flu - nobody wants you but you keep coming around, when you're here you get everyone all uptight, but really you're just a headache and some mucus.

-Al

Edited to add: I'm not one to attack people personally or even start fights on message boards. Anyone who might be wondering where this post is coming from, I urge you to find some of Mr. Barkman's jabs at Joann, and then ask how someone who could be so crude toward such a respected contributor to this board could possibly be allowed to remain here.

[Reginald Marsh]

Well Rob if folks would stop e-mailing me and messaging me in regards to people on this board i would not have made the post. It tends to get old reading about events that happened over a year ago. My post was to clarify that i do not hate anyone or have a grudge and really bro i do not seek attention. Any person at the National that saw me will have to say that i did not go out of my way to seek anything especially attention.

[Reginald Marsh]

Aw shucks Al i forgot that the entire world revolves around your every thought. My post was to clarify how i felt about certain people and that i do not hate anyone. I did not apologize to anyone nor have i ever implied that apologies were forthcoming. You see Al there are over 2000 members and probably another 2000 lurkers that watch this board, of the 4000 people i would say 80% never post or have any input to the board. So when like a handful of folks get pissed off over basically nothing it may affect that little "click" but in the reality of the baseball card world it means nothing.

I also found it interesting that a majority of these folks that were really going to give me a piece of their mind at the National did not even come to the show or the dinner for that matter but guess what GASP- I did go to the show and GASP-Did exactly what i said i would do which is roll around and have a ball buying and selling cards and GASP- I did attend the dinner like i said i would do and GASP-No one approached me or had anything to say in regards to the "click".

As i have stated from the beginning if people would not e-mail me or message me in regards to all this nonsense then i would not post about it. Anyone with any intelligence can tell by my original post that really i was trying to say i hate no one so let's move on........but oh that's right.......i forgot the "click" thinks i seek acceptance or want to be a part of it and really that's just not my bag.

I had a nice chat with Leon at the National and also the dinner and i think he knows that really i'm not trying to harm anyone so different strokes for different folks. Welcome to America Al C where the streets are getting tougher every day.

[Al C.risafulli]

Aw shucks Al i forgot that the entire world revolves around your every thought.

Well, please don't forget it again.

Incidentally, I believe the word you're reaching for is "clique."

-Al

[Reginald Marsh]

I am curious Al as to what the N stands for?

[Jim VB]

Aw shucks Al i forgot that the entire world revolves around your every thought. My post was to clarify how i felt about certain people and that i do not hate anyone. I did not apologize to anyone nor have i ever implied that apologies were forthcoming. You see Al there are over 2000 members and probably another 2000 lurkers that watch this board, of the 4000 people i would say 80% never post or have any input to the board. So when like a handful of folks get pissed off over basically nothing it may affect that little "click" but in the reality of the baseball card world it means nothing.

I also found it interesting that a majority of these folks that were really going to give me a piece of their mind at the National did not even come to the show or the dinner for that matter but guess what GASP- I did go to the show and GASP-Did exactly what i said i would do which is roll around and have a ball buying and selling cards and GASP- I did attend the dinner like i said i would do and GASP-No one approached me or had anything to say in regards to the "click".

As i have stated from the beginning if people would not e-mail me or message me in regards to all this nonsense then i would not post about it. Anyone with any intelligence can tell by my original post that really i was trying to say i hate no one so let's move on........but oh that's right.......i forgot the "click" thinks i seek acceptance or want to be a part of it and really that's just not my bag.

I had a nice chat with Leon at the National and also the dinner and i think he knows that really i'm not trying to harm anyone so different strokes for different folks. Welcome to America Al C where the streets are getting tougher every day.



CLIQUE!!!! Dammit! Not "click." :D

[Reginald Marsh]

I prefer "click" Rob i understand how it is spelled.;)

[prewarsports]

The lighting WAS blinding at the N54 dinner. Maybe the shades scared people away.

[Rob D.]

That was Jim and Al who pointed out your second-grade spelling, not me.

Here's a link to a page that allows you to edit the settings that will prevent other members from e-mailing and messaging you:

http://www.net54baseball.com/profile.php?do=editoptions

Problem solved. Now your e-mail and message boxes won't be overflowing thanks to the hordes who've been bothering you.

[Al C.risafulli]

To answer an honest-to-goodness baseball-related question from Mr. Flu, the "N" stands for "Newark," and is a logo of the Newark Peppers of the Federal League.

-Al

[Jim VB]

Aw shucks Al i forgot that the entire world revolves around your every thought.

Dammit if he isn't right this time!


(Edited to add - This would be a good spot for a "Uranus" joke.)

[Reginald Marsh]

My bad Rob and thanks for the tip but i'm not the type to block people. Mr. Flu is not Al Bundy and i'm glad to see someone has a sense of humor.

[iwantitiwinit]

This is becoming very tiresome. Who cares, lets talk about cards!!!

[jrog007]

I understand that sometimes it is fun to argue, but this saga makes no sense to me. Marshall may have said some things that offended people. He has somewhat apologized. What is it that the board members want? Will he be hounded forever for it? Why keep it going? If you don't like someone, don't talk to them. Let it go!

[Wesley]

I think everyone here understands you, Marshall, and that is very much the point.

You're happy to suggest that someone who has nothing positive to say should not post, but you're not content to take your own advice. What could have served as a nice try at an apology instead came off as another self-serving rant that placed the blame at the feet of those people who are offended by your inane yammering.

It could have gone like this:



Instead, it goes like this:



But you don't get it, because there's clearly something wrong with your digestive system which is causing your intestinal gas to back up into your brain.

Aside from prattling on about your peace pipe cards and your hundred-dollar auction, I have seen absolutely zero useful, on-topic posts from you. You exist solely to type irritating and insulting things, pull the board off-topic, and generally get people pissed.

So yeah, I'm irritated that you're here again. You're like the Swine Flu - nobody wants you but you keep coming around, when you're here you get everyone all uptight, but really you're just a headache and some mucus.

-Al

Edited to add: I'm not one to attack people personally or even start fights on message boards. Anyone who might be wondering where this post is coming from, I urge you to find some of Mr. Barkman's jabs at Joann, and then ask how someone who could be so crude toward such a respected contributor to this board could possibly be allowed to remain here.




Has Joann been posting? Have not seen her here for a while.

[chiprop]

Marshall- can you show us some of your vintage basebal cards? Do you collect cards? I must be in the minority, but this guy says some funny sh*t. Bring the noise!

[Reginald Marsh]

Well chiprop according to the "click" i do not have any cards or money for that matter. I'm just a lowlife who happens to love watching beautiful women sway.........sigh.........here are a few of my beaters that i somehow managed to obtain with my panhandling.;)

[slidekellyslide]

Has Joann been posting? Have not seen her here for a while.

She's been very busy working towards becoming a lawyer...I know she made a very nice pickup on ebay a few weeks back so she's still involved in the hobby.

[Reginald Marsh]

I must say there is something very cool about the E253 Oxford Confectionary series. The Walter Johnson in the set is one of my fav cards. I should probably re submit the card because i think it is in ex condition.

[Wite3]

I guess I am now on the other side of the fence and let me be the first to apologize to Marshall...

Marshall, I am sorry that a year ago I pointed out the inconsistencies in your stories and tales. Your hyperbole and exaggeration are to be commended. I am also sorry that I did not realize right away that we had a near golf champion who once had one great round in a PGA qualifying event. Good job!

Marshall, I am sorry that you seem to have taken the good natured ribbing here so to heart and had to come on and defend yourself from the likes of Joann and Barry. It was totally unfair for them to have feelings about what you said about them.

Marshall, I am sorry that I ever doubted that you collected cards, you obviously have a collection of at least four cards. I hope Bruce makes you a fair offer for them. They are beautiful!

Marshall, I am sorry that you seem to have a problem expressing yourself in an adult manner. I feel that, as adults, many here may have difficulty understanding your speaking patterns and content. The good news is that I understand it since I am regularly around elementary children in my capacity as a teacher.

Marshall, I am sorry that I might have a difficulty understanding how one person might find something offensive and one person might not. I did not understand that on a public forum about baseball cards that a poster, such as yourself, should be allowed to spout whatever he wants and damn all if he upsets people more respected than himself.

Marshall, I am sorry that you were not given the same amount of respect Barry, Leon, Peter, etc. enjoy the second you found this forum and posted. That was definitely an oversight on our part. As you seem to keep trying to say, respect is not earned, it should be given outright!

For all these lapses, Marshall, I am truly sorry.

:rolleyes:

Joshua

[carrigansghost]

Joshua, you owe me a fold next Hold'em game as I just lost a drink of beer through my nose reading your post. Thank you very much.

Rawn

[Jim VB]

I guess I am now on the other side of the fence and let me be the first to apologize to Marshall...

Marshall, I am sorry that a year ago I pointed out the inconsistencies in your stories and tales. Your hyperbole and exaggeration are to be commended. I am also sorry that I did not realize right away that we had a near golf champion who once had one great round in a PGA qualifying event. Good job!

Marshall, I am sorry that you seem to have taken the good natured ribbing here so to heart and had to come on and defend yourself from the likes of Joann and Barry. It was totally unfair for them to have feelings about what you said about them.

Marshall, I am sorry that I ever doubted that you collected cards, you obviously have a collection of at least four cards. I hope Bruce makes you a fair offer for them. They are beautiful!

Marshall, I am sorry that you seem to have a problem expressing yourself in an adult manner. I feel that, as adults, many here may have difficulty understanding your speaking patterns and content. The good news is that I understand it since I am regularly around elementary children in my capacity as a teacher.

Marshall, I am sorry that I might have a difficulty understanding how one person might find something offensive and one person might not. I did not understand that on a public forum about baseball cards that a poster, such as yourself, should be allowed to spout whatever he wants and damn all if he upsets people more respected than himself.

Marshall, I am sorry that you were not given the same amount of respect Barry, Leon, Peter, etc. enjoy the second you found this forum and posted. That was definitely an oversight on our part. As you seem to keep trying to say, respect is not earned, it should be given outright!

For all these lapses, Marshall, I am truly sorry.

:rolleyes:

Joshua



There. Now THAT'S an apology! :D

[calvindog]

Why is it that the board is so quick to jump on a guy like Marshall who, while occasionally obnoxious, by all accounts has never ripped anyone off? Yet so many on the board are just as quick to defend great guys who routinely steal from hobbyists? The obvious answer is that so many of said hobbyists routinely make make money as consignors off the fraud perpetrated by some really great guys -- even at the expense of the rest of us. Maybe some of the impressive umbrage displayed here could be directed at the thieves of our hobby instead of Marshall.

[Jim VB]

I think people (myself included) get on Marshall for a variety of reasons.

1. He's an easy and obvious target. He came on the board loud and attacking, and people don't like that approach.

2. His choice of people to attack seems odd. He goes after Barry, Joann, Joshua, and Al. These are people generally considered to be even tempered and likable. If he was just rude to Bruce, or a couple of others, people would view him differently.

3. He's a square peg trying hard to fit in a round hole, and I don't just mean the board, but life in general. Guys like him were funny back in college, but most grew out of it.

I could probably go on for a while, but anyone asking why we're "quick to jump on a guy like Marshall", is just spoiling for a fight himself. :)

[Reginald Marsh]

It's ok Jeff i don't pay any attention to the "click". Joshua kind of reminds me of the professor in back to school when he is taking himself so seriously in conducting the business class, when Dangerfield speaks up and talks about how things are done in the real world the professor gets pissed just like our dear friend Joshua.

You know something Joshua i finally figured out what i want to be when i grow up.......stretches.......yawns........yep you guessed it bro a elementary school teacher. By god if i really put my mind to it i could actually do it, oh i know it is so hard to become one and like only 1 out of a million make it but i swear if i go to the gym everyday and then look in the mirror and practice my lines i can do it........uhhhhh.....huhhhhh.....clearing throat now.......now class i want you all to behave and Donald please stop wiping boogers on Lisa because she is not a napkin. Wheeeeeeee........what fun;)

[calvindog]

1. He's an easy and obvious target.


My point exactly.

[Reginald Marsh]

Jim.....let me state that i do not pick on anyone. Allow me to refresh your memory captain. The names you mentioned generally came on my threads hijacking them creating drama and when i fired back they got their panties in a uproar. Also please note that many things i stated came true but you forgot to mention that so allow me to refresh your memory.

1. Said Fla would cover and win the National Title GASP- It happened
2.Said Take the points with the Cardinals-GASP-They covered
3.Told the board of a filly i own that had no chance running at Charlestown because of her cuppy feet but watch out when i ship her because she can boogie and GASP- when i shipped her to Mountaineer park she went off at odds 29 to 1 and ran second by a nose GASP-the trifecta paid over a grand and the exacta paid almost 200 now i wonder how many times i had it;)
she also paid 19.00 to place and almost 10.00 to show but i know you had no money one her because you were to busy looking in the mirror telling yourself how wonderful you are while dousing yourself with Old Spice.

[Jim VB]

My point exactly.

Well, I did offer other reasons. LOL.


And I don't think everyone is giving a free pass to all the great guys, but I hear what you're saying. I think "great guys" who have been PROVEN to be guilty will have a tough time rehabbing themselves in this industry, but those just accused will be able to skate by for a while. If onl;y there was some way to get these guys under oath and deposed. ;)

I think it's pretty obvious that some of these guys are in a pretty steep downward spiral. But I will bet that a pretty good percentage of their major customer base has no idea of the problems we discuss here. But the word will eventually get out. Just hope too many more people (consignors and bidders) don't get burned in the end.

[Reginald Marsh]

Also please note Jim i am not trying to fit into anything. I have pretty much seen it all and thoroughly enjoyed myself on the ride so far. I really do not feel that any of you attack me or do anything that harms me in anyway.

Twist it however you like Jim and i will leave you with this. It's your lie bro so tell it however you like;)

[Jim VB]

Jim.....let me state that i do not pick on anyone. Allow me to refresh your memory captain. The names you mentioned generally came on my threads hijacking them creating drama and when i fired back they got their panties in a uproar. Also please note that many things i stated came true but you forgot to mention that so allow me to refresh your memory.

1. Said Fla would cover and win the National Title GASP- It happened
2.Said Take the points with the Cardinals-GASP-They covered
3.Told the board of a filly i own that had no chance running at Charlestown because of her cuppy feet but watch out when i ship her because she can boogie and GASP- when i shipped her to Mountaineer park she went off at odds 29 to 1 and ran second by a nose GASP-the trifecta paid over a grand and the exacta paid almost 200 now i wonder how many times i had it;)
she also paid 19.00 to place and almost 10.00 to show but i know you had no money one her because you were to busy looking in the mirror telling yourself how wonderful you are while dousing yourself with Old Spice.

Marshall,

None of your points has anything to do with vintage baseball cards. That's the first problem. This is a vintage baseball card board and most of your posts are OT.

Secondly, the people you pick fights with are well respected in the field of vintage baseball cards. For God's sakes, if you can't get along with Barry and Joann, you need to be in a room by yourself. There are plenty of guys here you can disagree with and be rude to and no one would care. You seem to only target the likable guys.

Thirdly, your "personality" takes a little bit of getting used to... We're not there yet, and may never be. I respect the fact that you don't care, but you're rude and abrasive. Don't expect that aspect to win you any friends.

[Reginald Marsh]

Oh i understand it's a baseball card site but all work and no play is BORING. Out of 100 posts maybe 10% stray off into Off Topic which is always fun and breaks up the card talk.

Try going to a card show and then just sit there all day and talk baseball cards.....Ohhhhh...that's right you just like to sit and type on computers because i missed you at the National.

I really do not have a problem with the folks you mentioned and i see your upset in the fact that when they hijacked my thread i basically fired back so you have twisted that into me picking on them but it is ok because they have meds for someone like yourself.....ummm....i believe the word is Haldol.

[Jim VB]

You only missed me at the National because I avoided you.

I sat at the back table with Scott Brockleman, Rich Cline and his lovely wife and daughter, Coach Jeff, and Sean Skeffington and Brian Dwyer from SGC. From my seat you were up toward the podium and to my left, by the doors. You asked O' Keffee the stupid question about why he didn't write nice stories about families and little kids shopping at the show. (Sure. That's what investigative reporters do.)

Our table had a very nice meal and a good visit. No one brought any noise.

[Reginald Marsh]

Avoided is the right word. Not a chance you would approach me because things are a bit different in person and i would have told you to F off if you would have started in so you knew that and just kept to yourself.

Also note you are wrong about the question i posed to O'Keefe but what else is new. I asked why talk about a trimmed card and negative topic at a Net54 dinner. I totally understand he has to write about drama for the paper because that is what sells but why talk about it at a dinner and especially to folks that already know the story of the card. The point i was trying to make is that the National is about dads bringing their kids to a show and buying cards for their sets or collectors buying type cards, the show is not about a 3 million dollar trimmed card that garners way to much attention or some hobknob reporter that nobody cares about. The other point i was trying to make is several dealers lost their ass at the National and the constant talk about trimmed cards and negative topics did not help. Alot of those dealers are going to skip next year so great work keep up the negative chatter and soon their will be no National.

All of us on the inside know O'Keefe was physically removed by Bill Mastro from his office so he has a Napoloeon complex and has fixated himself on one card and one company. Also anyone who does not give him info he attacks and all you have to do is take one look at the guy and you know what he is all about.

[GrayGhost]

One thing I like about this board, compared to another one thats not baseball collecting, that I visit, is the knowledge I gain, the cool stuff Ive seen, and people Ive met. Also, sold a couple small things.

That all said, I hope that these type of threads are NOT common, with bickering and people trying to disrupt things, as this thread really takes away from the reasons we are all here.

[Al C.risafulli]

All of us on the inside know O'Keefe was physically removed by Bill Mastro from his office so he has a Napoloeon complex and has fixated himself on one card and one company.

I read this sentence and snarfed my soda.

-Al

[Reginald Marsh]

Is snarfing a Newark thing?

[Kenny Cole]

Once again (and it happens often), I am confused. Reginald Marsh, the Marshmallow, or whatever you want to call him, posts for one reason and one reason only -- to cause everyone who reads his posts to respond. He's like a tick in that regard. For whatever reason, it appears that causing angst and anger is what gives him life. While I think that is more than a little pathetic, so be it.

My question is, by now people should know that he's a dick whose posts generally add nothing and almost always detract from the overall intelligence of the board. I view that as a given. Don Rickles he isn't. What he wants is what he often gets -- a response. Why do that? Everytime he says insulting or simply stupid stuff and gets a response, he validates himself. To those of you who he offends, I suggest that if you put him on ignore and do not respond to his prevocative comments anymore. He will then go away because his basic interest is in baiting people, not cards, and if there is no response the fun will no longer exist. My two cents.

Kenny Cole

[Reginald Marsh]

Are you still designing sun glasses bro? I actually do not post often on the main board unless i feel it necessary. Also i buy and sell quite a few cards but gee i do not see you auctioning or selling anything. Just me two cents for what it is worth.

[Adam]

I am looking to buy a T206 Ed Foster (southern league) in any grade. Please email me at aamoniz@yahoo.com with a scan and asking price if anyone has one they'd like to sell.

Regards,
Adam

[jmk59]

You don't get it, Reggie. It's not enough that you don't hate people. You still don't get to be an a$$ and then say they should be okay with it because you don't hate them.

And you certainly don't get to (here or anywhere else on the planet) do whatever you want, act however you want and say whatever you want and then hide behind "this is just me being me". Do you fart in a crowded elevator and think that's funny and say it's just "me being me"? I probably shouldn't ask that - you probably do.

The point is that there is no excuse for some of the comments and behavior, and telling us that's just how you are doesn't cut it. Now a genuine apology? That would be different.

And I honestly don't care if you cut into me. Seriously - if I take a shot at you then by all means, have at it. Make another crack about how I'm a Barbara Walters wannabe. No problem. Just leave the sexual stuff out of it. That's where you cross the line.

Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than coming on here and [offensive language removed. PM me if you want a private copy for thread context. JMK] (but tink-tink, Cheers!, let's have a toast, right Alan?)

There are actually even worse things you could say about blacks and the Jewish members that are even more oppressive - oppressive and attempts to intimidate just like the sexual crap you lay on me. These are some things that you would not get to get away with by laughing it off as a misunderstood joke. At least not after the first time.

But do keep bringing da noize over on the BST. Nice E-card auction. Now that's extreeeeeme! As you would say, yawn yawn yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz boring. What next? GASP! A toaster? Or maybe WHOA - a set of throw pillows?

And thanks to those that have posted, emailed or PM'd in my defense. I really appreciate it. I am behind on responding so emails - way behind - but am definitely going to. I thought the world would magically reappear after I took the bar exam, but it hasn't worked out that way so far.

Joann

[martin neal]

Adam,

That was the best post I have seen in years.

[barrysloate]

Hi Joann- strong post to say the least. How are you doing? How was the bar exam?

I also liked Adam's post- perfect timing on that one.

[Jim VB]

All of us on the inside...

Please! You're killing me here! I had no idea!

[Jim VB]

I am looking to buy a T206 Ed Foster (southern league) in any grade. Please email me at aamoniz@yahoo.com with a scan and asking price if anyone has one they'd like to sell.

Regards,
Adam

Adam,

Please confine these types of posts to the BST. This board is for serious discussions by "insiders" only!


(However, if there was a rating system, your's would be an all time winning post.)

[Wite3]

Marshall,

What the f? I apologized. Just like you! I don't hate you. I feel that I have a great sense of humor but if people just don't get it then I can't force them to like me. I am so sorry you did not understand that my post was in jest and that I may have hurt your feelings (enough to attack my job, which is sad since you could have gone so many other intelligent routes). I don't dislike you, I am just a different person from you. That is what makes America great! The fact that you and I are different and we both can apologize. Again, I am sorry Marshall for your lack of understanding. I hope we can move on and talk cards.

Joshua

[Leon]

Adam,

Please confine these types of posts to the BST. This board is for serious discussions by "insiders" only!


(However, if there was a rating system, your's would be an all time winning post.)

hey Now...wait a minute. I hear there is a line forming to be an insider and I wanna be one....please please....

[Jim VB]

hey Now...wait a minute. I hear there is a line forming to be an insider and I wanna be one....please please....

Let me get this straight...

You own a Vintage Baseball card Forum.

You host your own damn dinner at The National every year. (With hundreds of friends you didn't know you had.)

You own an auction house.

You have a world class type card collection.

You have double secret access to the President of one (maybe it's two) of the largest, most controversial auction houses.

You've slept over at Barry's place.

And you still want more? Man! Talk about greedy!

[barrysloate]

Sleeping at my place is unquestionably a rite of passage!

[Al C.risafulli]

Wait.

Leon slept over Barry's house?

I've never slept over Barry's house. What do you have to do to get that invite?

I guess I'm not part of the click.

-Al

[Peter_Spaeth]

Are you trying to say Leon is a great guy?

[Leon]

Are you trying to say Leon is a great guy?

Them's fightin' words around these parts!!

And in response to what Jim VB said......ok, never mind. (Done in my Gilda Radner voice) ..................bitch :)

[Jim VB]

Are you trying to say Leon is a great guy?

I don't think all insiders are great guys, but... all great guys are insiders.

[docpatlv]

"Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than coming on here and calling an African-American a nigger and asking him about his crack deals and where is father is."---Joann

Joann, I'm not sure what sexually disparaging comments Marshall has made to you to offend you, as I haven't always followed his trainwreck threads that closely, but do you think that can really be compared to the statement you made above. Believe me, I'm not a chauvinist, but I'm not sure you have a clue how damaging racial slurs can be.

MikePugeda

[jmk59]

Mike,

Then we disagree. Do a search for the threads in question and then come back and see what you think. Marshall once asked - on the board - the last time I was spanked, and that's just a start. Are you seriously saying that that sort of thing is less offensive or intimidating than a racial slur?

Although if a lot of people agree with you, that would explain a few things.

Joann

[FrankWakefield]

One solidarity post in support of Joann. Thanks for hanging in here!

[Wesley]

I don't disagree with you Joann, and the remarks towards you were offensive. Still, you don't need to include the racial slurs above to make your point.

[andybecker]

Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than coming on here and calling an African-American a nigger and asking him about his crack deals and where is father is. Or harping on the Jews about their big noses and being greedy (but tink-tink, Cheers!, let's have a toast, right Alan?)

joann,
you've always been a voice of reason here....not sure what happened.
marshal is an ass, but you've crossed the line here.

tink-tink=grow up

[docpatlv]

Joann,

I'm not trying to be argumentative and I don't know you personally, but I was responding to what you had written.

Is Marshall asking you "when the last time you were spanked" offensive? Of course it is, I'm not insensitive to that. It's out of line and not necessary on a baseball chat board, and it's none of his business.

Is it, to me, as offensive as calling someone a nigger? Not even remotely close...Maybe we are different people, but to me racial slurs just cut a little deeper.

I'll leave you with an example. A few years ago I went out with a group of friends to a small, local bar. One of my friends is African American. When we passed one of the patrons in the bar, he said to my friend, "Hey you, get to the back of the bus!" That damn near started a bar brawl. I don't think it would have evoked the same response if my friend had passed and he said "When's the last time you got spanked".

Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree, but again I don't think you have a clue what being judged solely by your skin color is like. Correct me if I'm wrong.

MikePugeda

[calvindog]

I know no one means to be offensive on this issue, but perhaps you all could edit your posts to remove the n-word? I don't even like to see it in print, even when a point is trying to be made.

[jmk59]

Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree, but again I don't think you have a clue what being judged solely by your skin color is like.


Then honestly, I don't think you have a clue what it's like to have some stranger makes jokes about you needing a big cucumber, or something like that, on a board like this. This was a place where I liked people and liked to hang out. This guy said that in front of all of these people - people that are my friends in some cases. Try that on for size sometime.

If nothing else, this has been eye-opening. I think some people honestly don't know what it feels like. That's the only conclusion I can make from all this.

And Jeff, I'll consider editing. But not yet. That's the only thing I've done that seems to have made people even come close to what it feels like inside when Marshall cuts loose with some of his sexual comments and people defend him as an ok guy.

J

[docpatlv]

Jeff,

That was exactly my point. If you find it offensive to even see the word, imagine being called that.

last time spanked? = offensive
N****R = offensive

Equally offensive (to me) = not even remotely close

Mike

[docpatlv]

Joann,

Re-read my post, I'm not defending Marshall. I agreed that what he said was offensive, inappropriate, and unnecessary.

I questioned your analogy and the appropriateness of it.

I'm finished with this thread, you all can agree or disagree with anything I've said.

MikePugeda

[Al C.risafulli]

Being one of the more liberal, PC, bleeding hearts here, it did sting to read Joann's comments.

That said, I think Joann wrote them the way she did to make a point. And I think the point is coming through loud and clear, at least to me.

When Swine Flu made his series of comments toward Joann, I found them to be the most offensive things I'd ever read on this board. The comments were not made to illustrate a point or make a joke. They were made to be insulting and hurtful, to separate Joann from the rest of the group due to her gender, and to embarrass her.

The fact that people are voicing their displeasure about Joann's comments without having voiced similar displeasure at Swine Flu's comments is surprising to me.

I know Leon's job is difficult, and it's tough to play policeman all the time, but the rules of this board as they relate to personal attacks are written in black and white, and in Joann's case, those rules were not enforced. Were the comments written about someone's ethnicity or religion, I believe they would have been.

Joann is my friend, and it absolutely enraged me to see those comments.

-Al

[andybecker]

That's the only thing I've done that seems to have made people even come close to what it feels like inside when Marshall cuts loose with some of his sexual comments and people defend him as an ok guy.


not sure who is defending marshal as a good guy????

joann-i hope you feel better, as i (and probably every other jew or african-american on this board) have been totally offended by your comment.

didn't you parents teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?

[Jim VB]

I don't think any of us (guys) are in a position to judge how much Joann is, or should be, offended by Marshall's comments.

If she says she is offended that deeply, I think we should take her word for it.

Personally, I like lawyer jokes, but if Jeff told me he was offended, I'd believe him.


(Edited to add - And jokes about the newspaper industry just slay me!)

[andybecker]

When Swine Flu

sheeeeesh. i'm in the pork business. can we call him H1N1?

[botn]

Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than coming on here and calling an African-American a nigger and asking him about his crack deals and where is father is. Or harping on the Jews about their big noses and being greedy (but tink-tink, Cheers!, let's have a toast, right Alan?)

There are actually even worse things you could say about blacks and the Jewish members that are even more oppressive - oppressive and attempts to intimidate just like the sexual crap you lay on me. These are some things that you would not get to get away with by laughing it off as a misunderstood joke. At least not after the first time.

Joann

Marshall's comments to Joann were inappropriate and I understand being her insulted by them. I am also sure she was trying to make a point with the above but YIKES. I think the point could have been made with far more tact.

[slidekellyslide]

Jeff,

That was exactly my point. If you find it offensive to even see the word, imagine being called that.

last time spanked? = offensive
N****R = offensive

Equally offensive (to me) = not even remotely close

Mike

Mike, until you are in Joann's shoes I don't think you should be telling her that she should feel less offended.

[andybecker]

I don't think any of us (guys) are in a position to judge how much Joann is, or should be, offended by Marshall's comments.

sure we are, if we are jewish or african-american.

[Al C.risafulli]

sheeeeesh. i'm in the pork business. can we call him H1N1?

Sorry, Andy, you're right. :)

And to be clear about my last post: I do not in any way mean for it to come off as a criticism of Leon or his moderating. My intent is to try and illustrate my belief that a roomful of men will have a really difficult time understanding the hurt caused by H1N1's comments toward one of the only women who post on this board.

I would have never come back here.

-Al

[slidekellyslide]

sure we are, if we are jewish or african-american.

Well, I think now we all know how hurt Joann was by Marshall's comments....the difference in her comments and Marshall's is that she was using an analogy to express how she felt by his comments...and well, when Marshall made his comments he meant them.

[Jim VB]

sure we are, if we are jewish or african-american.

No, you can't. You can judge how offended you would be to the comments made by Joann, not by the comments made by Marshall. Except that Joann didn't make derogatory comments. She used them as a comparison to how Marshall's comments about her felt.

You have said, a couple of times that, to you, there was no comparison between the two, but unless you are female you aren't seeing that side of the comparison.

Now... If you are a female, jewish, african-american, then you've got me.




Edited to add - Dan types faster than I do.

[andybecker]

You have said, a couple of times that, to you, there was no comparison between the two, but unless you are female you aren't seeing that side of the comparison.

that wasn't me.

and you're correct jim. i cannot judge how joann feels.....i did not mean to imply that.

i can judge how joann made me feel.

joann was using racial and ethnic slurs just as a comparison, so that's ok?

c'mon jim. you're smarter than that.

[docpatlv]

"Mike, until you are in Joann's shoes I don't think you should be telling her that she should feel less offended."---Dan


Well then Dan, by the same token, Joann shouldn't compare her plight to what she stated above.

"You have said, a couple of times that, to you, there was no comparison between the two, but unless you are female you aren't seeing that side of the comparison."---JimVB

That was me JimVB who made those statements and I stand by them and in the same token, until Joann has a race change she isn't 'seeing that side of the comparison'.



Again, I don't doubt that Marshall's words have caused Joann pain that we might not know or comprehend, but my problem is with the statements she made. Joann, I'm sorry if you've been hurt by the comments made to you, but your analogies were inappropriate, even if only used for analogies.

Now I'm really finished.

Mike

[calvindog]

Andy, of course you're right.

And Joann, I suspect my eyes will somehow continue to work whether or not you edit your post (and I had missed your anti-semitic comments, sorry). Whether or not I'll have the same respect for you is another story. There are powerful and appropriate ways to make an argument and then there are ridiculous ways.

[Jim VB]

c'mon jim. you're smarter than that.




Don't count on it.

I attributed Mike's thoughts to you. Sorry.

[Peter_Spaeth]

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Barfman had been banned for his disgusting remarks in the first place.

[barrysloate]

In the meantime has Marshall even posted today?

[slantycouch]

On second thought, I'd really rather not get involved.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeff, the fact that you and others cringe in disgust when seeing the N word in JoAnn's post is precisely her point. Barfman's drivel was equally offensive to a woman, but most males are culturally conditioned to that sort of talk so that our threshold is much higher.

I am guessing that after an appropriate interval JoAnn will edit it out....

[Jim VB]

Joann did not call anyone, of any color or ethnicity, any name! She merely typed the words. She said she had been as insulted as if someone had used those other examples. And some have been deeply offended by this. Understood.

Now, imagine that someone had typed those words and actually directed them at you.


That's what Marshall did, to her.

[calvindog]

Peter, good thing I've got Joann to tell me how to feel. I don't know how I survived this long without her life lessons.

[barrysloate]

Look, I also was surprised by Joann's vitriolic response, and my first reaction was she crossed a line. But I also know how deeply hurt she was by Marshall's comments to her, and I think all the fun she had posting on this board went south after he humiliated her like that. It takes a lot of anger to say what she said and I know it came from deep in her gut. And frankly, there are more than a few people here who are pretty angry at Marshall.

And if I had to guess his response, he will say he doesn't care what we think and we're all just a boring group of people. We're not cool enough to understand his rapier wit. Frankly, I think he should again leave the board and this time for good.

[Jim VB]

In the meantime has Marshall even posted today?

Too early. Tha's not how he rolls. He'll catch up in the afternoon and be rarin' to fight around midnight. :D

[Peter_Spaeth]

Peter, good thing I've got Joann to tell me how to feel. I don't know how I survived this long without her life lessons.

That makes two of us wondering the same thing. :)

[Cat]

I was going to go back and read this thread so I can figure out what's going on but something tells me it would be a waste of time. So if someone could tell me who received demerits and who did not, I'll just move along to the next thread. That's all I really need to know.

[Wesley]

Don't bother, Cat. Here is a summary:

- Marshall Barkman made sexual comments a few months ago that Joanne found offensive.

- Joanne used racial slurs and anti-semitic remarks, not directed at a particular person, but rather to illustrate her point about how offensive Marshalls comments were.

- Other forum members found Joanne's use of racial slurs and anti-semitic remarks offensive.

- Joanne is considering deleting the racial slur and anti-semitic remarks, but for now she will leave them up.

- None of us know what it feels like to be a woman, Jewish or African-American

- Marshall Barkman has not posted today.

- Leon has not handed out any demerits.

That's what stood out to me and what I remember. Anyone else can feel free to fill in the blanks.

[Al C.risafulli]

The "N" in my avatar stands for "Newark."

-Al

[Wesley]

And N is for Newark.

Happy Birthday, Al!

[Cat]

Leon has not handed out any demerits.

Damn!

[slantycouch]

Marshall why is your website no longer up?

[Peter_Spaeth]

The "N" in my avatar stands for "Newark."

-Al

Some might find that more offensive than the other N word. :D

[Jim VB]

Marshall why is your website no longer up?

What???? No more MB3rocks.com??????

[vintagewhitesox]

- None of us know what it feels like to be a woman, Jewish or African-American






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[Cat]

- Joanne used racial slurs and anti-semitic remarks, not directed at a particular person, but rather to illustrate her point about how offensive Marshalls comments were.

- Other forum members found Joanne's use of racial slurs and anti-semitic remarks offensive.


For the record, Blazing Saddles is one of my favorite movies. I'll wait for the ruling to see if this is a demeritable offense.

[chaddurbin]

from all his OT posts marshall know as much about vintage cards as he does rock music or golf...i vote for joann to stay and "reginald" to go

i also found some anagrams that marshall can use to re-register:

A Lamb Shrank Marl
Alarms Blank Harm
Marksman Bra Hall
Bash Nark Mall Arm
Balk Rash Marl Man

...lmk if you need more reginald...oh wait i have you on ignored :rolleyes:

[E93]

Joanne made an analogy to help illustrate, to those who did not get it, how offensive Marshall's comments were. Seems like it worked.

If you find her analogy offensive and yet did not publicly come to her defense in the past when Marshall made his slurs, then perhaps that analogy was called for.

Sometimes the truth hurts for a while.
JimB

[E93]

If we don't fight bigotry and oppression when it affects others, what ground do we stand on to ask for help when the bigotry and oppression is directed our way? Those in power (in the oppressing group) have all the more responsibility to stand up against it.
JimB

[calvindog]

Who doesn't want to wear the ribbon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRtUv97YFco

[2dueces]

Boy I really don't want to chime in on this thread, but like Ron White, I have the right to remain silent, I just don't have the ability.

Two words in the English language that I hate with a passion.

The C word describing a female and N word. Neither belong no matter what point is being made. No exeptions allowed.

[Rob D.]

<a href="http://songsforteaching.com/s/sburton/kumbaya.mp3">Please join hands</a>

[calvindog]

Rob, thanks for that. It's all clear to me now, I feel much better. I just needed to be led to the truth. Good thing we've got good (note: not 'great') people like you on the board to lead us in song, as we all hold hands in peace and harmony.

[Rob D.]

Please pass the graham crackers, Jeff, I'm ready for another s'more.

[Wite3]

Just for the record....

I hate the word "tousled" and support Joann.

Joshua

[Wesley]

If we don't fight bigotry and oppression when it affects others, what ground do we stand on to ask for help when the bigotry and oppression is directed our way? Those in power (in the oppressing group) have all the more responsibility to stand up against it.
JimB


"Those in power"? Do you mean Leon?

[E93]

"Those in power"? Do you mean Leon?

No, I meant anybody in the priveledged group when there is a power differential. When the bigotry is against blacks in America, whites are generally the priveledged/powerful/majority group. When the bigotry is aimed against women (especially when there are 2,999 male members of a group and one female member), it is all men in the group that I believe have a responsibility to stand up against bigotry for justice.
JimB

[Wesley]

Jim,

I'll be honest; I don't remember the exact words Marshall Barkman directed at Joanne. Do you have a link to Marshall's comments to Joanne?

So the only information in that regard is what Joanne posted today, and as soon as I read Joanne's account, I mentioned it was offensive. I believe each and every poster that commented also said it was offensive. I also recall reading then as well as today a number of people calling for Leon to ban Marshall. That said, Joanne's racial slurs and anti-semitic remarks were also despicable, no matter what they were used for. How can anyone dispute this?

Wes

[andybecker]

if i understand what jim is saying, i agree.

when marshall made this remark to joann, more should have stood up for her.

agreed. totally.....as we would stand up for any injustice.

however, in this specific case, i think many members considered the source of joann's attack and let it go....to a point. i think joann's demeanor may have contributed to that. by demeanor, i mean that in a positive way.....what i said earlier..."the voice of reason".

that said, should we have pounced on marshall more. yes, and if i didn't then jim is right....shame on me.

[2dueces]

if i understand what jim is saying, i agree.

when marshall made this remark to joann, more should have stood up for her.

agreed. totally.....as we would stand up for any injustice.

however, in this specific case, i think many members considered the source of joann's attack and let it go....to a point. i think joann's demeanor may have contributed to that. by demeanor, i mean that in a positive way.....what i said earlier..."the voice of reason".

that said, should we have pounced on marshall more. yes, and if i didn't then jim is right....shame on me.

We did stand up for Joann. Most voiced the opinion that it was offensive and this board was not the place for it. Sorry, but two wrongs never make a right. Every new immigrant group that came to this country was oppressed in one way or another, (some much worse than others). I don't see the relationship to using offensive terms and standing up for an oppressed people rights? The voice of reason is to not use those terms ever. That's the true voice of reason. BTW, I'm Irish and Italian and have heard or been called every name related to those nationalities and still would not like to see them spewed on this board.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Here is a nice example of "noize" from the past, some good baseball card talk.

"Well let's see i fu*&^cked countless models,raised hell whereever i went, and basically tore up South Beach for 4 years. I signed a independent record deal which allowed to me live in a 2.5 million dollar penthouse and have maids walk around naked while a puffed away on the finest of .....while playing a wonderful Fender strat at insane decibels"

[andybecker]

We did stand up for Joann. Most voiced the opinion that it was offensive and this board was not the place for it. Sorry, but two wrongs never make a right. Every new immigrant group that came to this country was oppressed in one way or another, (some much worse than others). I don't see the relationship to using offensive terms and standing up for an oppressed people rights? The voice of reason is to not use those terms ever. That's the true voice of reason. BTW, I'm Irish and Italian and have heard or been called every name related to those nationalities and still would not like to see them spewed on this board.

joe,
if you read back a few pages, you paraphrased what i said. i'm with you.

i'm just trying to explain my perception of jim's point.

[andybecker]

Here is a nice example of "noize" from the past, some good baseball card talk.

"Well let's see i fu*&^cked countless models,raised hell whereever i went, and basically tore up South Beach for 4 years. I signed a independent record deal which allowed to me live in a 2.5 million dollar penthouse and have maids walk around naked while a puffed away on the finest of .....while playing a wonderful Fender strat at insane decibels"

the guy's an idiot. i don't think anyone disputes that. why he isn't banned is beyond me.

doesn't make what joann said right by any means (where is that dead horse smiley when i need it!)

[ChiefBenderForever]

Here is a nice example of "noize" from the past, some good baseball card talk.

"Well let's see i fu*&^cked countless models,raised hell whereever i went, and basically tore up South Beach for 4 years. I signed a independent record deal which allowed to me live in a 2.5 million dollar penthouse and have maids walk around naked while a puffed away on the finest of .....while playing a wonderful Fender strat at insane decibels"

Not sure what that has to do with baseball cards but sounds like a fun !

[Tyler]

If getting me to stay up past my bedtime is what Marshall wanted, then kudos to him.

Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Marshall doesn't bite back then I'm going to bed. Good luck ya'll.

For the record...

Josh and Wesley win for best posts of this thread.
Leon is right in letting it run its course.
Joanne rocks for letting it all out...point made...and taken.

Now I am guilty of the one thing that I wish everyone else had done...

DONT POST ANY REPLIES TO MB3'S ATTENTION GRABBING POST AND IT WILL GO AWAY!


But, I am guilty just the same because I read it...and have to admit...I enjoyed every bit.

Please keep it down...I'm trying to go to sleep...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[timn1]

Jim,

I'll be honest; I don't remember the exact words Marshall Barkman directed at Joanne. Do you have a link to Marshall's comments to Joanne?

So the only information in that regard is what Joanne posted today, and as soon as I read Joanne's account, I mentioned it was offensive. I believe each and every poster that commented also said it was offensive. I also recall reading then as well as today a number of people calling for Leon to ban Marshall. That said, Joanne's racial slurs and anti-semitic remarks were also despicable, no matter what they were used for. How can anyone dispute this?

Wes

People, THINK about the two speech-acts for a minute. Joann did NOT make "racial slurs and anti-semitic remarks." She used the offensive terms as illustrations to try to get across how she felt when that jerkweed Marshall unleashed a barrage of misogynistic remarks aimed at her personally. People need to grasp the vast difference between these two types of usage. To equate them, I'm sorry to have to say, is just lamebrained.

[daviddbreadman]

Barak Obama wants to take my hard earned money and give it to someone else who he deems more worthy.

We are all being discriminated against for being who we are.

There should be no off topic threads allowed on this board any longer. A larger group should be created to police and ban anyone who starts any kind of tomfoolery that is not a positive contribution.

I hope that Joann doesn't leave because of the insensitivity of the male populous here.

[andybecker]

People, THINK about the two speech-acts for a minute. Joann did NOT make "racial slurs and anti-semitic remarks." She used the offensive terms as illustrations to try to get across how she felt when that jerkweed Marshall unleashed a barrage of misogynistic remarks aimed at her personally. People need to grasp the vast difference between these two types of usage. To equate them, I'm sorry to have to say, is just lamebrained.

this is a quote from joann's post:
"Or harping on the Jews about their big noses and being greedy (but tink-tink, Cheers!, let's have a toast, right Alan?) "

her words, not mine. and they don't illustrate anything. it's nowhere near the context that she used the n word, which was deplorable.

[jmk59]

and I think all the fun she had posting on this board went south after he humiliated her like that.


I read this today while I was at work and started crying. Literally. I had to shut my office door. And believe me, that is not something that happens often - it takes a lot to get me there. But Barry got it right square - this is exactly what it felt like. His entire post was dead on.


I am going to edit my last post now. Why? To distinguish myself from Marshall. I think it should be clear that I intentionally used inflammatory words to make a point to him, not because I meant them literally (and I very much appreciate the posts plus emails and PM's I received from those of you that got that). But since many were offended, whether I meant it or not, I'm going to edit it. Not bitch about how lame you all are for not getting my drift, not go on about how awesome and courageous I am to be me being me, but change it. Because the last damn thing I want in this world is to be even remotely like Marshall.

We'll see what happens when he posts again. I'm guessing I already know.

And thanks to you guys that did stand up, and Barry for putting great simple words to it.

And on another note - HAPPY 40TH BIRTHDAY TO AL C!! Sorry Al, but I only have an hour left in this day and it was not going to get by me without birthday wishes for your 40th. :-) My Facebook is all messed up and won't let me post comments anywhere, so here it is! Be sure to have a few good beers - even Stroh's works ok - and consider 40 years well lived! :-)

And T - yes, I completely understand why you would so clearly remember the whole bar exam drill after 20+ years. The whole process - both the prep and the exam - is a unique experience. Yeesh. I don't think I will ever forget it.

J

[Jim VB]

this is a quote from joann's post:
"Or harping on the Jews about their big noses and being greedy (but tink-tink, Cheers!, let's have a toast, right Alan?) "

her words, not mine. and they don't illustrate anything. it's nowhere near the context that she used the n word, which was deplorable.

If you're going to go to the trouble of quoting Joann, you should at the very least, capture her entire thought, not just an excerpt.

She started that paragraph by saying: "Throwing the sexual stuff at me is no different than... " She then added the illustrations using Black and Jewish references.

SHE WAS CLEARLY MAKING A COMPARISON! She was showing how hateful the comments he made to her were.

How does anyone NOT see that?

And the throw away line to Alan was because he had just finished telling us what a good guy Marshall was.

[calvindog]

There should be no off topic threads allowed on this board any longer. A larger group should be created to police and ban anyone who starts any kind of tomfoolery that is not a positive contribution.


We've already got double-secret probation, what more do you want? A large civilian militia? :)

And Andy, you're right: Joann had a point to made but it was butchered so badly with her language as to make it more offensive than the slight to which she responded. Everyone got her point -- we didn't need the Rosetta Stone to figure it out. I just wish she could see that there was a more appropriate way to make the point without gratuitously offending so many people.

[Leon]

...
There should be no off topic threads allowed on this board any longer. A larger group should be created to police and ban anyone who starts any kind of tomfoolery that is not a positive contribution.



and then we can have the largest group that can police the larger group, who will police the 4 moderators, who will police the members. :eek:

[daviddbreadman]

I will police that group.

[Matt]

and then we can have the largest group that can police the larger group, who will police the 4 moderators, who will police the members. :eek:

At least no one has recommended we shoot anyone for posting OTs yet.

[Reginald Marsh]

Well let's see first let me say i have entered the ring and i'll be weighing in at 155 lbs this evening so here comes my post.

[carrigansghost]

Damn I was 7 mins off from the blow up.

Rawn

[Matt]

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[batsballsbases]

Well here we go Marshalls back :eek: Buckle up could be a bumpy ride for those with weak stomachs;););)

[carrigansghost]

I have a flight in 6 hours, please hurry.

Rawn

[batsballsbases]

Thanks Marshall for that entertaining evening:( Im tired now ,I guess I will go back to the Memorabilia side at least we have alot of pictures there.:D:D:D Isnt this fun!! Rawn dont forget the in flight movie!;);)

[Matt]

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[batsballsbases]

Matt we have moved to The Cards That Go Together Post come join us! Its where the :cool::cool: people hang:D

[chiprop]

bring the noise! I'm bored and offended.

[Reginald Marsh]

I guess after reading all of the posts i was a little suprised at a few things. I will address alot of things but let's start here. A few days ago Leon made a post in regards to cleaning up the board and trying to make this a better place. He set forth some new rules and guidelines for everyone to follow and how demerits will be handled out for offenders. Now i get a few private messages and e-mails regarding a card i am going to auction and folks are still steaming at how i treated Nancy Pelosi Jr.

Well i tried to post on the main thread basically saying i do not hate anyone or hold any grudges so hopefully folks do not think that and let's just move on because yesterday is gone.........

Also let me state that Barry Goat is such a wussbag and was so offended by me calling him Barry Goat that he had Leon e-mail me and ask to stop it because such a grand baseball card dealer and basically king of a guy which by the way is one notch above great guy could never be called Barry Bahhhh.....Bahhhhh.....Goat. Well i told Leon i would stop and i did until i just read about 50 posts and here is what i saw.

Joann using the word N*^%r which i have no comment for because anyone trying to become a attorney should never for any reason use that word ever in any situation, her excuse for using it is so lame that no intelligent person would ever buy it and i do apologize to all the african american brothers on the board that have had to read her spew.

Also note i have been called prick,Barfman,dick,asshole,swine flu,idiot,stupid and countless other names yet i have not complained to Leon nor will i ever because i do not suck my thumb and cry myself to sleep over Net54.

What is so comical about this situation is that the "click" try as it might is just that a "click", a group of about 7 to 10 people who act so self righteous and have such deep moral and spiritual integrity yet they post words like N%&*r? I mean i almost fell off my chair when i read that and now i will respond to Jane Fonda's 1 fan.

Joann....one thing you and your fan club fail to realize is that you came on my post like some kind of tomboy hanging with the fellas and made insulting remarks towards me and i fired back. Well you got mad and insulted me more so i asked jeez what is with you? When was the last time you were spanked? Now i see you have come on this thread and made it seem like that statement has altered your life forever and that you are emotionally scarred from it.

MB3 sits back raises a eyebrow..........are you for real? Are you actually going to come on a public message board among adults and make anyone believe you are deeply hurt? I cannot tell you how truly sorry i feel for you if something that minor can offend and scar you. Please do me a favor and do not become a attorney because you will be chewed up and spit out like a bad piece of steak.

Now i will say a few things about Leon. Man bro i have to say you are ballsy. I just love the fact that you handed out no demerits and allowed the thread to run. I have always liked the way you have run the ship and i say carry on Captain i am enjoying the cruise but please full throttle.

In regards to certain questions i'll try to answer the "click" now.

All of the things i talked about months ago are true. I did not embelish or make anything up. I basically roll anywhere i go and yes i do whatever i want whenever i want to do it.

In regards to Peter Spade. Bro i cannot tell if that is your face or did your neck throw up. You remind me of some weasel corporate attorney on board Judge Smails boat getting ready for his yacht cristening. Uhhhhh......oh Margie doll please pass the grey poupon.......thanks my love.....have you seen my new jpeg on WilmerHale's website i mean am i just not the coolest?

[Kawika]

Did Net54 just jump the shark?

[chiprop]

I may be the only one laughing right now, but this guy fuk'n hilarious! I'm serious.

[calvindog]

Bro i cannot tell if that is your face or did your neck throw up. You remind me of some weasel corporate attorney on board Judge Smails boat getting ready for his yacht cristening.

David, no way -- I'm actually laughing out loud at these lines.

Edited to add: Dan, you insensitive bastard.

[chiprop]

i just woke my wife up laughing so hard. 11:49pm Chicago

Edited to say that I just got kicked out of the bed for the night, cause I am still laughing.

[Reginald Marsh]

I read where Joann you said you started crying and had to shut the office door. Man i really do not know what to say. I'm trying to think the last time i cried and i guess it was at my dad's funeral and i had to leave because the pastor was talking and i got so mad at myself for crying that i used the F word like ten times and it really shook him up and i did actually say to him stop worrying about me and Fing do your job.

I truly feel Joann something has happened in your past that you have not dealt with and perhaps seeking therapy may help you. Had i known that you have even more sensitve powers than you superhero counterpart Mr. Goat i would have never said it. I never dreamed it was going to be a life changing event.

By the way where is Rambo? I thought he would be on here threatening to come burn my house down or even worse douse me with fire and throw on a grenaded at me.

[Wesley]

i just woke my wife up laughing so hard. 11:49pm Chicago

Edited to say that I just got kicked out of the bed for the night, cause I am still laughing.


This guy has the Dan sense of humor down pat. Is it the Barry Goat jokes or the Peter Spade jokes, DK?

[batsballsbases]

Marshall a couple of these **##@@ would have gone a long way with some of your sentences.:eek::eek: And remember you should have used at least one :) next to the word Barry Goat. Gheeze;);)

[batsballsbases]

Jeff,
I hate to say it but this is way better entertainment that your radio show! Work on it for the next one;);)

[Reginald Marsh]

Sorry chiprop i did not mean to piss off your wife she is going to give you hell in the morning. I'm laughing so hard that my chest hurts.:D

[Reginald Marsh]

Sorry Al but know Barry knows i am only kidding. One of these days i'm heading to Ny to have dinner with the fellas and no way is he going to act offended over simple jest. I mean come on bro if Barry cannot take a needle then perhaps the shuffleboard website can become a new place to hang for him.

[chiprop]

Wes, the whole thing is a joke! We are collecting baseball cards and maybe some of us are taking the thread a little more serious than others. I never said he was correct or PC, I just said he was funny. I wasn't offended by the Jew/Black slur, and I'm not offended by the cucumber jab. I'm just a dude who likes baseball cards and don't really care what anyone says on this board, cause in the long run, none of it matters. I can't be the only one who finds this guy humorus. No way! Yes some of his lines are a tinge off color, but classic none the less

[Wite3]

Marshall, I apologize for the following in advance. You are still not being hated by me.

Just for the record, Marshall was so offended by the use of the racial slurs that he doubled the previous record for the "n" word on this board. Good job Marshall.

[Potomac Yank]

I have a flight in 6 hours, please hurry.

Rawn

*

You've got some digging to do in Union, ME.

The Rural House Union team. is waiting to be re discovered. :)

[Wesley]

Dan, I have to admit I was not happy with the Black and Jew slurs and I didn't really understand the cucumber jokes. But I did find Barry Goat humorous.

[batsballsbases]

Marshall,
No need to be sorry to me . But I guess many others see it differently. I tend to take life much differently now than I did before. But your rebel with or without a cause attitude I find rather sad and funny at the same time. But if its you its you. As long as Leon lets you ROLL then I guess its O.K. but take heed the ice gets rather thin and one who tends to not have the hammer gets squashed like a bug. So play nice with people!:D:D

[Reginald Marsh]

Well Al it really is not a rebel without a cause attitude. I would say it is a not take sh^t mentality. I don't come on here trying to cause trouble or seek attention like the "click" often states. They just try and twist things when someone actually stands up for themself or will no tbe pushed around. There is a old chinese proverb 'who needs a hammer when you can carry a gun'.

[Adam]

Leon/any moderator --- why on earth have you not locked this thread by now?

[Reginald Marsh]

Ummm for the record professor i only used the word because it was mentioned. I think Obama is now calling Joann to come to the White House and have a beer. He is going to get to the bottom of this whole spanking thing and racial slur abuse.

[Wite3]

Yeah, Marshall is right. He is not the one who started this thread. In fact he apologized for starting it and apologized for having to re-state a bunch of stuff that most of us had forgotten. He does not want attention at all. He just wants to make himself understood and make sure everyone knows how sorry they are for disagreeing with him and finding him immature. He wants to talk baseball cards every now and then. Cut him some slack! Marshall, I am sorry if I am taking your thunder. I am just trying to help. I still don't hate you.

Oh yeah...I always hate things so much that I repeat them constantly too. Sheesh...I am sorry for pointing out a truth. So very sorry for you.

We are sorry (as the Bruces say).

Joshua

[batsballsbases]

Marshall,
Point taken and I did say Rebel With or Without! But also remember the New chinese proverb Who needs a gun when you have a moderator with a computer!;);)

[Reginald Marsh]

Now that is funny Al!:D

[V117collector]

Now can we talk about cards!!!

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[sbfinley]

From experience I have stayed away from this thread and, from this point on, will stay away.

Marshall, I will provide a short but blunt apology. I do apologize for the vulgar and abrasive manner in which I confronted you in the past. I had spent a long evening at the bar and handled this issue immaturely. I'm not saying that you were right and I was wrong or that I was right and you were wrong.

The beautiful thing about a two party system is that everyone thinks that they are right... and well... everyone is wrong. This thread is a two party system. I would vote to lock it but that negates the the first amendment and all.

When it comes to cardboard this site is second to none. We should stick to what we do well.

[barrysloate]

Sure Marshall, I can take a joke. If you want to call me Barry Goat I'm cool with it, and it seems to be catching on. And I'll guess in person you would be nothing like the one you are on this board. Sitting behind a computer changes people in some way.

All that said, I still think this board is not the best place for you. You're missing the point that it is not about being an individual or a rebel- it's about being a part of a community. That aspect of it has escaped you.

[slantycouch]

Where's English Barry?

For the love of God it's "clique".

[andybecker]

x

[barrysloate]

Marshall knows it's "clique" but he prefers "click"; don't forget, he's a rebel.

[jmk59]

No Marshall. Sorry. Nothing unresolved in my past. Just a normal life. Believe it or not, people can be offended without some underlying condition that makes it their fault. The bottom line is that you sort of wrecked this board for me. At least, as Barry put it, made it less fun. And this board and this community meant something to me. Take or leave that as you want. I really don't give a rip.

I'm really glad for the people that took time to PM or email me. Believe me, it helped a lot. It was a bit of a Twilight Zone experience yesterday that so many people simply could not understand the reason for the intentional use of the words I used and took them at face value. Almost everyone that PM'd was equally surprised, and that definitely helped. Yikes. And one person said that I have learned who my friends are (and aren't), and I guess that may be true too.

So since Marshall has made it through this entire thread without a single sexual comment, I'm going to assume that Leon said something to him about that part of his act. At least I'm going to hope so.

Joann

[calvindog]

Joann, I'm not sure why you persist in believing that some couldn't quite understand why you used the language you used. Everyone understood your reasoning -- but many still found it offensive. I'll say it again: everyone understood it but many felt it was unnecessary and gratuitous regardless of your motives. It's ironic to me how both you and Marshall can't appreciate that sometimes words offend even if no harm is intended. Even if a special, important teaching opportunity is being undertaken. Maybe you guys have more in common than you previously thought?

[jmk59]

I'm not getting into it with you, Jeff. But it is not true that "everyone" got it - there were a good many people that did not seem to see the difference. I understand what you are saying - I get it - I'm just saying that not everyone falls into the category of "got it but still didn't like it".

And I went back and edited it for exactly that reason, as explained. Because it was clear it offended people regardless of intent. And because I didn't want to be anything like Marshall. Not sure how that translates into "can't appreciate that sometimes words offend even if no harm is intended".

Joann

[calvindog]

Well, the important thing is that you left the words up there for quite a while so that the lesson really sunk in. I would have hated for anyone to have missed that learning opportunity.

[Reginald Marsh]

Well it certainly has been a interesting thread. The whole thing kinda reminds me of like little league baseball. When the kid with glasses walks to the plate all the little kids start screaming hey batter batter and others say you can't even see the ball four eyes and the catcher says bad comment which i will not say.

I'm glad to hear there are no underlying issues with you Joann. I'm quite sure if we talked in person and you got so offended by my language that you would simply walk away and it would truly be no big deal.

I must say in all my years i have never dealt with someone so sensitive in regards to a simple comment. I have the solution to the problem.

You will be recieving a call soon from WilmerHale because they need a new attorney to fill Peter Spade's position. It seems during the yacht christening that he pissed off Judge Smails for handing out autographed pictures of himself and told several folks on the yacht that he was Smails right hand man and also part owner of the yacht. On the back of every autographed picture was the line "i know i look like a weasel but really it is just a bad hair day" The Best Peter Spade

[Jim VB]

"Last edited by Leon; Today at 08:24 AM. Reason: removed pic"


Dang! And I was just about to post a "cool" MB3 pic!


Edited to ask Leon a question - Is being the moderator of this board akin to being a Kindergarten Teacher, except without the Summers off?

[Leon]

"Last edited by Leon; Today at 08:24 AM. Reason: removed pic"


Dang! And I was just about to post a "cool" MB3 pic!


Edited to ask Leon a question - Is being the moderator of this board akin to being a Kindergarten Teacher, except without the Summers off?

Well....I just gave Marshall a formal infraction for insulting others on the board. Others have insulted him too but I have to put everything in perspective. I feel like I have to do something. He is not banned as of this moment. This is what our infraction system was made for, though I am not sure everyone can see it, he does have one. No matter what I do here I will make some folks unhappy and I am sorry about that. I really don't want to have to deal with this at all but it's my job. One other thing too. The other moderators probably don't agree with me on how to handle this so I do take full responsibility. As for those insinuating that I let this go for "page views" on the board, I will just let that ignorant statement go....

I am sorry if anyone was offended by anyone else's comments on this thread. I am doing the best I can and feel in my heart that, as of right now, this is the best thing to do. No one should come to this board and feel like they will be insulted if they post. That is not what this board is about. If you come here to talk about pre-war baseball cards it's a great place. If you come here for any other reason I wish you would leave. Happy collecting...

[Ladder7]

Hey Joann,

Time for another moaning.

Out of nearly seventy of us, we have one female firefighter, Suze. It always amazes me how tolerant she is of our constant chest thumping and ceaseless macho inuendo. Those twenty-fours must feel like forty-eights to her at times. On rare occasion, she'll reach her much deserved boiling point. We scramble like upset little kittens but reflect and think, "What in the Hell took her so long?"

She apologizes, we apologize, move on and behave perfectly, well for a week or two. Though I doubt that could happen here, cooler heads will prevail.

It's unfortunate that you became so enraged (and rightly so), by Marsh's verbal abuse. To any person with old-fashioned values, victim or observer it struck to the quick. You're not alone. Though I try to be decent to everyone here, Marshall is able to bring out that dark side. I'm like a chubby, old Luke Skywalker about to cut down an unarmed nemesis. Yes, I have a seathing hate for Marshall too and suspect I'm not alone. The force is strong in this one :)

It's also unfortunate that you felt it appropriate to use those examples in stressing your point. But I gotta say, most of the women I grew up around and occasionally dated *gulp*, wouldn't have been as tender -tearing that little willie off, through his throat.

It's easy for me to say this, because I'm just your average, atheist Gap shopper. But, I hope the proud Jewish and black members, can remember your positive presence here and forgive your rage. Though insensitive, it's moronic to believe your intent was to polarize the group. To everyone, like it or not, we're a dysfunctional family here. And though we may occassionally, no frequently, want to clip his brakecable, it seems Marshall is here to stay. I just hope you can find that Easy Button and stay too.

-Rambo out. *Now where did I put those dang bolt cutters?

[Leon]

Steve emailed and said he was in the middle of typing a response when I locked this thread and asked if I would allow him his final post. As he is a good member, and hobby friend, I allowed it. But that is all....back to baseball cards ....thanks much. regards