What can you tell me about my card?

[Big Bone]

I'm new to the forum and new to baseball cards (well at least since I was a kid). I have a really old card from my late Grandma who was an antique collector and am wondering what information you guys have on it. I think I have a few more cards so I'll have to get photos of those too for you guys but what can you tell me about this one?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Oback.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/CobaltBack.jpg

Thanks guys!


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[DWilliams]

The card is a T212 Obak card. Some information can be found here:
http://www.oldcardboard.com/t/t212/t212.asp?cardsetID=706

As you can see it is a type three which is one of the more common types unfortunately. I dont really collect them so I cant say much on value but i hope this helps.

[Matt]

Welcome to the forum bone. The card you have is a 1911 Obak, or T212-3 (Catalog designation). See here for some more info:
http://www.oldcardboard.com/t/t212/t212.asp?cardsetID=706

It looks to be in pretty good shape which makes a huge difference with regards to value.

Here is a recent auction of the same card in high grade:
http://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDetail2.aspx?lotid=11549

[barrysloate]

It certainly was kept in great condition. Nice card!

[Anthony S.]

Perhaps it's just the scan or how and where your card was stored over the years, but I'm not sure what to make of that back. 1911 Obaks have red printing on a white back. The back of your card, in the scan at least, looks as if the red printing is on brown cardboard. I've attached a scan of a 1911 Obak for comparison sake.

[ullmandds]

As Anthony has stated...the back looks strange...I don't like the color of the stock and the print of the back. I'm suspicious!

[barrysloate]

Could it just be very badly toned? Perhaps if it lay on a newspaper for decades the acids in the paper would soak into the card.

Or it's a fake. Tough to tell from the scan.

[Ladder7]

If any of my grandkids turn out to be punks, Im leaving 'em the counterfeits.

[Big Bone]

LOL, na it's not a fake (at least I hope not). The back was shot with my old digital camera and the flash kind of screwed it up. I tried to fix it in photoshop so that the writing was legible hence why it looks so strange. I don't have a scanner otherwise I would of used that instead.

Thats neat that it's worth up to $275ish. I may be looking to sell it but I'm not 100% on that right now. I also took a look at the other cards and they are old turn of the century hockey cards. Some are in great shape but most have damaged backs. From what it looks like I think someone glued it to a book or something so some are a little ripped up looking. Do any of you guys know where a good forum like this one would be for hockey cards? I don't think I could get much for them but I'd still like to know.

Anyways thats exciting never the less about the Obak card I've got. I'll try to get a better pic up for you guys on the back, sorry for the crappy shot.


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[pwilk17]

Hey BB - shoot me an email if you like and I can help you with the hockey cards.

[FrankWakefield]

Here's a bit about the player....

Frank Julian (Francisco) Arellanes. Boston, AL. Born January 28, 1882, Santa Cruz, California; died December 13, 1918, San Jose, California. A right handed pitcher, Frank, of Mexican – American decent, began organized play in 1903, for both the San Jose of the California State League, and then for the San Francisco Seals of the Pacific Coast League (who tried him in the outfield for a few games). Frank was back with the San Jose CSL team for 1904, 1905, and part of 1906, but he joined with the PCL’s Fresno Raisin Eaters for part of their long 1906 season, playing third base for 52 games, and pitching 7 innings in one game. He hit only .164. Frank attended Santa Clara University in 1907 and the spring of 1908. Then, Frank played in his first major league game on July 28, 1908, for the Boston Red Sox, where he played for 3 years, winning 24 games and losing 22, with solid ERA’s of 1.82, 2.18, and 2.88. Cy Young was with Boston in 1908, Arellanes stepped into the rotation the next season. 1909 was his best season, when he had 30 of his 51 career starts and posted a 16-12 record, to lead the team, 3 more wins than Eddie Cicotte and 5 more than Smokey Joe Wood. He led the league that year with relief wins (3) and saves (8); he allowed a stingy 1.68 walks every nine innings. Illness brought an end to his major league career, and he was back to California. He did pitch in 15 games, and appeared in 2 others for the Sacramento Solons of the PCL in 1910. He worked the mound for the Solons for 3 more years, posting records of 7-8, 22-16, and 13-17. The Sacaramento team moved to Mission in 1914, Frank was 10-18 that year under manager Harry Wolverton. Frank pitched for the Denver Bears of the Western League in 1915, going 4-4. His last 2 years as a player were 1916 and 1917, with the PCL’s Vernon Tigers. Frank was 8-6 in 1916, and 1-1 in 9 games in 1917. His team-mates at Vernon in 1916 included pitchers Jack Quinn and Art Fromme, catcher Boss Schmidt, and second baseman Swede Risberg of Blacksox notoriety. Frank died short of his 37th birthday from the Spanish Flu pandemic, he was buried at Oak Hill Memorial Park in San Jose.

[FrankWakefield]

And I agree, the back looks like the back of one of those Topps mini cards of recent times. I don't think it's real, but could be convinced otherwise. And uv light to the front might quickly show it's a reprint if it fluoresces. So it may well be worth about 2.75 cents...

[jeffshep]

Descriptive paragraph and stat fonts are off.

[Anthony S.]

Actually the font used for stats in the 1911 set isn't uniform, as can be seen in the differences between the 2 cards below.

[Bester]

The card stock on the back of the OP's card looks nothing like the other Obaks shown in this thread.

[Big Bone]

Well I'm still looking for a scanner so I can give you guys a better pic of the back and front. I'm pretty sure this is an original but I guess you guys will have to be the judge of that huh?


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[Old Mill Man]

I'd be interested in the Hockey cards as well.

[Potomac Yank]

It doesn't look right.

[Old Mill Man]

If you took this photo with a digi camera then you really got a nice straight photo as it is usually hard to crop this straight after using a camera.A scanner is easier as you get a perfect centering.Would like to see the card scanned.If you were in photo shop did you change it by the layering technique?

[Big Bone]

I didn't do anything to the front of the card other then clip it out but with the back, the flash caused the light bounced back from the card and gave it a glistening effect. I tried to tone it down by using the "replace color" option in Adobe Photoshop and also used that tool to enhance the clarity of the red text. I guess I shouldn't of jacked with it at all, I just wanted people to be able to read it ya know.

I'll get a good scan up soon. I think I'll just take it in to kinkos and get it done. No body I know has a working scanner!


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[Big Bone]

Oh here are the Hockey Cards. I've been looking them up all day and I found out that they belong to the first set of hockey cards ever. Kind of cool, however some are in bad shape.

I found out that they are C56 - Imperial Hockey cards. Oh and the gloss on the back... well more flash issues.

Lester Patrick of Renfrew Club 1910-1911
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Cobalt1.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Hockey1Back.jpg

J. Jones of Cobalt Club 1910
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Cobalt2.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Hockey2Back.jpg

C. Toms of Cobalt Club 1909
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Cobalt3.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Hockey3Back.jpg

Herb. Clark of Cobalt Club 1910
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Hockey6.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Herb.jpg

Art Ross of Haley Bury Club 1910
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Hockey5.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Hockey6Back-1.jpg

[Big Bone]

Sorry they wouldn't let me post all of the photos.

G. Roberts of Ottawa Club 1910
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Cobalt4.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e253/Micah_Orvis/Hockey5Back.jpg


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[drc]

Per the Obak, if one resizes and overly enhances a digital pic, it can end up looking funky and fake. I have had pics of genuine cards that looked fake due to bad photography, photoshopping and saving.

[ullmandds]

those are great looking hockey cards...even with the back damage!

[Potomac Yank]

If it turns out to be a digital camera problem, don't be surprised by the interest towards the Hockey cards over the Obak.

The activity might be interesting. :)