View Full Version : Whats the story on grading when there is paper loss?
cobblove
07-30-2009, 12:50 AM
I have this cobb as yall helped me out earlier. It has paper loss on the back and has decent corners with no creases. I know its not a 1 or higher, But how do they grade paper loss? Could this be a 1.5 SGC? Or is it just right? And my question was brought up because of this card just sold at SCP auctions. It looks almost like they were pulled from the same binder whenever that was. Is it because the paper loss is only on the side?
Thoughts?
http://www.scpauctions.com/scpauctions/LotDetail.cfm?Lot_ID=16819
Mine
BobbyVCP
07-30-2009, 03:44 AM
From what I have read in the past PSA is much tougher on paper loss then SGC.
GrayGhost
07-30-2009, 05:33 AM
I had a Cobb a few years ago, a Caramel card, w fairly nice corners and centering and no creases, but it did have some paper loss on front, and got a PSA 1, which I didnt think it deserved. Their standards are difficult indeed.
Bamacollection
07-30-2009, 05:51 AM
I will disagree with PSA being tougher on paper loss. I purchased an M116 sight unseen in a PSA 3. Paper loss was the only thing I didn't expect. SGC will grade paper loss up to a 30/2. Though the seller chose not to mention the paper loss, I still blame PSA for the misrepresentation. The grade goes against all of their self-acclaimed standards. My speculation on the Cobb is that it probably would make it into a 20/1.5 with SGC. Good luck!
It is a pretty card to look at. For a Cobb, the grade is sometimes irrelevant, when in less than pristine condition. I would be happy to own this one as it looks so nice. Not a request to purchase by the way. Enjoy the piece.
jim
From what I have read in the past PSA is much tougher on paper loss then SGC.
I believe the opposite to be true.
cobblove
07-30-2009, 06:46 AM
But what about the card that I listed from SCPs auction. I brought this up because it graded a 2 and it has more than a small amount of paper loss on the back.
But what about the card that I listed from SCPs auction. I brought this up because it graded a 2 and it has more than a small amount of paper loss on the back.
No way SGC gives that card a 30/2.
canjond
07-30-2009, 06:54 AM
I've seen SGC grade a nice card with paperloss a 40.
Mrc32
07-30-2009, 08:22 AM
This is one of those things that drives me NUTS about grading.
See below:
a PSA 4
http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersko/mrc32/others/large/needham.jpg
and an SGC 3 (back is centered and clean- no creases)
http://photos.imageevent.com/ltsgallery/memberfoldersko/mrc32/t205hofers/websize/wheatsgc.jpg
barrysloate
07-30-2009, 08:40 AM
Michael- I believe in the case of the T205 Needham they simply missed the paper loss. I don't think that is an acceptable amount of loss for a VG-EX, but instead just sloppy grading. If the back were clean then it would accurately be a PSA 4.
Mrc32
07-30-2009, 08:49 AM
Michael- I believe in the case of the T205 Needham they simply missed the paper loss. I don't think that is an acceptable amount of loss for a VG-EX, but instead just sloppy grading. If the back were clean then it would accurately be a PSA 4.
I guess.
I bought it on eBay with just a front scan and was pissed when it arrived.
But for those in this thread that says PSA is tough on paper loss......they weren't on this card.
iggyman
07-30-2009, 09:07 AM
Not to bash SGC, since they are an exemplary grading company (of course, that was before the Mastro fiasco), but.................this one is not mine anymore; here is an example of a graded SGC card, receiving a Vg/Ex grade with a tiny bit of paper loss on the back (towards the bottom).
<img src="http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/9/9/9/7/7/webimg/266202639_o.jpg">
<img src="http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/9/9/9/7/7/webimg/266202621_o.jpg">
This one is not mine anymore as well, it resides in a SGC 70 holder (a tiny bit of paper loss on the back towards the top and middle).
<img src="http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/9/9/9/7/7/webimg/167505414_o.jpg">
<img src="http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/9/9/9/7/7/webimg/167505416_o.jpg">
For the record I prefer SGC, and as Barry mentioned, mistakes happen and in my book PSA has more then its fair share of misgraded cards.
Now, to get back to the original thread, if you send your Cobb card to get graded 100 times. In my opinion, the card will come back as a "ONE" 99 out of 100 times.
Lovely Day...
JamesGallo
07-30-2009, 09:54 AM
I have this cobb as yall helped me out earlier. It has paper loss on the back and has decent corners with no creases. I know its not a 1 or higher, But how do they grade paper loss? Could this be a 1.5 SGC? Or is it just right? And my question was brought up because of this card just sold at SCP auctions. It looks almost like they were pulled from the same binder whenever that was. Is it because the paper loss is only on the side?
Thoughts?
http://www.scpauctions.com/scpauctions/LotDetail.cfm?Lot_ID=16819
Mine
I don't think that SCP Cobb should be in a 2 holder it should be a 1 or 1.5 at the most.
For some reason if the paper loss is small enough SGC will give a grade as high as a 40 or 50. I have a Cracker Jack with a small spot on the white boarder that I had them review and they still said it was a 40.
On the Ritter, I wonder if it is paper loss or was never printed?
Lastly, where paper loss is does matter, ie if it is in a white area or if there is no text removed they will not hit it as hard.
Ironically I think they are very tough of paper loss on blank back cards.
James G
DICKTOWLE
07-30-2009, 10:40 AM
I have done dozens of cards with paper loss for customers and dealers- SGC is the tougher on paper loss per my clients, thanks:DT
Kehfee
07-30-2009, 10:47 AM
Needham is overgraded in the above case. PSA is wildly inconsistent when it comes to paper loss.
Wesley
07-30-2009, 11:56 AM
For some reason if the paper loss is small enough SGC will give a grade as high as a 40 or 50.
For small paper loss on the back, I have seen cards graded SGC 40 or 50 as well.
The paperloss on the SCP Cobb card is pretty significant though and it probably should not grade higher than SGC 20 or 30.
cobblove
07-30-2009, 09:06 PM
Thank you , Thats all I was trying to figure out. I wasnt saying mine is a 2. I believe it is a 1 and only a 1(with good apeal for a 1) Im going to say 1 1 more time and thats my #1 point(1 for you and 1 for me). Nothing higher. But with the auction I just saw I just wanted to get an idea of what they grade on. Thanks for all the examples. And it looks like a card can have paper loss and still be a 4.
As far as the cards in my collection which have great fronts and tiny paper loss on the back, SGC is far tougher than PSA. Just my experiences.
ethicsprof
07-30-2009, 10:45 PM
with Bob, i have had very tough grading on paper loss from sgc.
in fact, i've been shocked again and again when what i thought were 40's and 50's come back 20's with very small paper loss.
best,
barry
calvindog
07-31-2009, 08:19 PM
I agree with the consensus here: PSA sometimes goes very easy on paper loss, especially when compared with SGC. I've seen a PSA 6 card with paper loss on the back.
V117collector
07-31-2009, 08:57 PM
How many graders does it take to grade a card if there all following the same company standers..? hmm :cool:
Let take a closer look at the high volume submitters :cool:
egbeachley
08-08-2009, 03:50 PM
I've been accused of being a PSA hater because I was burned by them. Actually, this was part of my only submittal to them. How could I not love the fact that I deserved and got a 4 because of the corners and stains.
Nevermind the off-center and the paperloss across the chest.
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/egbeachley/Ewing-f3.jpg