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Leon

07-20-2009, 05:25 PM

If I didn't show my cards so often I would have a field day. It's sort of like saying "show me your T206's" to most of the board.....or "show me some high grade E93's" and have Scott M and Jim B in the conversation......It's a ringer....

Edited to get this one out of the way, since it's arguably one of the rarest cards in the hobby, if not the rarest. .http://luckeycards.com/pt231.jpg

07-20-2009, 05:32 PM

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/jkrasner2/1910TipTopWagnerf.jpg

tycobbfanatic

07-20-2009, 05:42 PM

as a rarity.

Kawika

07-20-2009, 05:46 PM

Not sure what constitutes "rarity". There's 4 T210 Stengels in the SGC pop reports and at least a few raw ones floating around; if anybody has access to PSA pop reports and could tell me how many they have enslabulated I'd be obliged. Suffice to say these don't pop up on eBay too often.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/holygrailcards/websize/T210_Stengel.jpg

Edited to add: This has the makings of a helluva thread. Looking forward to it.

chiprop

07-20-2009, 05:48 PM

Wesley

07-20-2009, 05:49 PM

These are not impossible, but still pretty tough.

Cat

07-20-2009, 05:51 PM

I wouldn't call this rare, but Oscar just doesn't get enough love.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/Cosbro/Collection/bu7rcharleston.jpg

FrankWakefield

07-20-2009, 05:54 PM

There is supposed to only one of these printed... I know you wanted older stuff...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/LeiternewCJ.jpg

and while there are a few of these out there somewhere, I don't ever see anyone else here ever posting one. Anyone else have a T200 Premium? Anyone want one?

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j106/greatwake/ClevelandT200Fatimapremium-3.jpg

Jim VB

07-20-2009, 05:57 PM

David,

PSA shows 5 slabbed in total. One PSA 1. Two PSA 3's. One PSA 4. And one PSA 6.

canjond

07-20-2009, 06:01 PM

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/jon_canfield/RuthLection.jpg

Kawika

07-20-2009, 06:07 PM

Frank: Ask and ye shall receive.
Jim VB: Thanks muchly. Four SGC, five PSA and FW's avatar (we know that isn't slabbed) makes at least ten. Not ultra-rare but rare enough.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/miscellanybaseball/large/DSC00660.JPG

bcbgcbrcb

07-20-2009, 06:14 PM

Here's one.............

rman444

07-20-2009, 06:35 PM

True rarity is overrated.

I would much rather have condition rarity...

<a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/prewar/?action=view&current=1914CJmattyfront.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/prewar/1914CJmattyfront.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

tycobbfanatic

07-20-2009, 06:38 PM

that the Matty is altered ?:D

Matt

07-20-2009, 06:40 PM

Josh - that's a heckuva card but am I missing something as to the rarity? I'd guess that there are at least 50 of those around. Nonetheless, a beauty! Your Gimbel's Ruth RC is many-fold rarer, no?

rman444

07-20-2009, 06:43 PM

that the Matty is altered ?:D

Beckett said it was trimmed, but for the life of me I can't figure out where :rolleyes:

deadballpaul

07-20-2009, 06:45 PM

It's the only one that I have seen....3374

rman444

07-20-2009, 06:46 PM

A serious entry:

<a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/prewar/?action=view&current=clementcobbfront.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/prewar/clementcobbfront.jpg" border="0" alt="1910 D311 Ty Cobb Front"></a>

jcmtiger

07-20-2009, 06:52 PM

Don't know how rare it is, not a card, a calendar cover?
I have only seen another in a book.

tedzan

07-20-2009, 06:56 PM

1869

<img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/aharrywrightbigbat.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

1889

<img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/A36cover.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

1904

<img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/b1904buffalo.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

1909....Lundgren with an EPDG back

<img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/clundgren.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

1910-1911

<img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/broadleaf460back.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

circa 1930's

<img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/aafoxx.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

TED Z

tycobbfanatic

07-20-2009, 06:58 PM

That Clement Cobb is one of the strangest yet most fascinating cards out there.

Bicem

07-20-2009, 06:59 PM

That Clement Cobb is one of the strangest yet most fascinating cards out there.

agreed, are there any others known besides yours Richard?

Jacklitsch

07-20-2009, 07:00 PM

Don't see too many of these. E&S Publishing...
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/Postcards/ChanceES.jpg

rman444

07-20-2009, 07:11 PM

agreed, are there any others known besides yours Richard?

I believe there is only 1 other known. The other one is also in an SGC 30 holder. I have seen a picture of it and I believe it to be trimmed.

packs

07-20-2009, 07:24 PM

I just picked this one up from Rhys. Very excited about it. I've seen some Tigers examples but none of the Cuban players. I believe the red variations are tougher than the blue. In any event, this is a nice example of Cuban HOFer Emilio Palomino.

http://s107.photobucket.com/albums/m294/madjams/Cabanas.jpg

yazfan08

07-20-2009, 07:36 PM

I know, I know, but you asked for rare

http://photos.imageevent.com/littletreasures/yazsomeofmyfavorites/websize/y79Tradin.jpg

AndrewJerome

07-20-2009, 07:42 PM

1920 Zeenut Sam Crawford

milkit1

07-20-2009, 07:46 PM

3381

Brian Campf

07-20-2009, 07:48 PM

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calvindog

07-20-2009, 07:58 PM

calvindog

07-20-2009, 08:06 PM

calvindog

07-20-2009, 08:08 PM

Bicem

07-20-2009, 08:09 PM

one more Jeff...

http://photos.imageevent.com/bicem/w601sportinglifepostcards/AL%20Detroit%201.jpg

slidekellyslide

07-20-2009, 08:24 PM

Red border Colgan Unglaub Lincoln - anyone ever seen another?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/nudan92/1878-1946%20Lincoln%20Baseball/1911colgansred.jpg

Just barely postwar, but rare nonetheless - never seen any others besides my two.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/nudan92/1947-1961%20Lincoln%20Baseball/weaverswright.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/nudan92/1947-1961%20Lincoln%20Baseball/weaversneill.jpg

rhettyeakley

07-20-2009, 08:32 PM

A few tough ones. The Averill is one of the "holy grails" to those that collect Exhibit cards, mine isn't super nice but it will do.

http://www.starsofthediamond.com/13oaksolmstead.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/28expclaverill.JPG http://www.starsofthediamond.com/uncatmize.JPG
-Rhett

JamesGallo

07-20-2009, 08:34 PM

What no Shoeless Joe's

Here is one of mine.

http://www.thetoyheaven.com/images/items/baseballcards/bbuncjackson.jpg

There is 1 other SGC one, and I believe that is all.

James G

Epps

07-20-2009, 08:39 PM

Only a few of these.

Epps

07-20-2009, 08:40 PM

I will add one more.

07-20-2009, 08:41 PM

Josh - that's a heckuva card but am I missing something as to the rarity? I'd guess that there are at least 50 of those around. Nonetheless, a beauty! Your Gimbel's Ruth RC is many-fold rarer, no?

Matt,

In my mind, if there are only 50 of something in existence, its rare. Certainly not unique, but rare none the less. Perhaps that is not what the OP had in mind and seeing that I was the first to post (Leon hadnt actually posted a scan at the time), I had little to go by other than "let’s see some things that you don’t see on ebay everyday".

Pup6913

07-20-2009, 08:45 PM

Only 3 I know of and I know who has the other 2!!

nolemmings

07-20-2009, 09:06 PM

the only Marquard Colgan I've seen:
http://photos.imageevent.com/imoverhere/prewar/various/websize/e270marquard.jpg

Also, this one is a real tougie:
http://photos.imageevent.com/imoverhere/prewar/various/websize/21ldrtheatre_shea.jpg

And of course my favorite card--one of three '17 Mendelsohns known:
http://photos.imageevent.com/imoverhere/prewar/various/websize/17fmschalk.jpg

Matt

07-20-2009, 09:13 PM

Matt,

In my mind, if there are only 50 of something in existence, its rare. Certainly not unique, but rare none the less. Perhaps that is not what the OP had in mind and seeing that I was the first to post (Leon hadnt actually posted a scan at the time), I had little to go by other than "let’s see some things that you don’t see on ebay everyday". As for the Ruth, its a Weil back and I agree much rarer. However, since Ive got it listed on the BST, I thought it best not to post it here and risk someone thinking I was only posting it to further advertise.

Definitely don't see one listed on eBay everyday! Thought maybe I was missing a back variation or something. Great cards you've been showing lately.

Kenny Cole

07-20-2009, 09:30 PM

First shot at uploading scans. Hope it works

rman444

07-20-2009, 09:36 PM

What is it with Jeff's and Cobbs.

<a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/prewar/?action=view&current=1911M131TyCobbFront.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/prewar/1911M131TyCobbFront.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

chaddurbin

07-20-2009, 09:53 PM

rman i think the "C" is the beginning of Cobb's signature...maybe JSA will authenticate it :)

Leon

07-20-2009, 09:59 PM

Great cards guys.....Don't ya' love it when someone starts a thread that is your focus of collecting? :D

iggyman

07-20-2009, 10:18 PM

Do uncut W553 strip's count?

<img src="http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/35015855/view/IMG_1113.jpg">
<img src="http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/35015855/view/IMG_1119.jpg">

Lovely Day...

Brian Van Horn

07-20-2009, 11:00 PM

Here are some examples:

Brian Van Horn

07-20-2009, 11:06 PM

A couple more:

ecRich

07-20-2009, 11:07 PM

1929 Becker Bros. Theatre
I think each is one of a kind

Brian Van Horn

07-20-2009, 11:08 PM

Last installment:

edhans

07-21-2009, 05:35 AM

Great stuff!

http://www.thecybersource.com/~edhans/funcharr.jpg

thekingofclout

07-21-2009, 06:22 AM

As far as rarities go, this original vintage Conlon TYPE I photograph is the only known example in private hands...thankfully, those hands are mine :)

3427

tedzan

07-21-2009, 06:59 AM

The SOVEREIGN 460 red Cobb is extremely rare....only 4 have been confirmed.

<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/abredcobbsov460.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

I'm not sure how many 1910 Coupon (T213-1) Cobb's are out there; but, these "gems"
are extremely rare.
I would bet there are more Red Cobb/Ty Cobb cards in circulation than this Coupon one.

<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1910couponcobb.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

T-Rex TED

GaryPassamonte

07-21-2009, 07:17 AM

1875 Hartfords.

dstudeba

07-21-2009, 08:44 AM

One of three known.

http://www.baseballcardresource.com/img/11e100II/11e100II_Weaver_A.jpg

yanksfan09

07-21-2009, 09:04 AM

I think all of my D381's would classify as old, check my link

T206Collector

07-21-2009, 09:12 AM

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/61xD7QwRDrDXru4LoSfWtQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCNHhgMuiptWNc g&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Ys7fw31kTDs/SVBQRQ4-ARI/AAAAAAAAFiY/y9WO5l4QbAs/s800/JohnsonPitchingPSADNA.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/pmifsud3d/AutographedT206?authkey=Gv1sRgCNHhgMuiptWNcg&feat=embedwebsite">Autographed T206</a></td></tr></table>

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JCdlbFV4c13KTHQpTmmXaw?authkey=Gv1sRgCKiHg9bOhbfTM w&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Ys7fw31kTDs/RxQJqntTj-I/AAAAAAAAB5I/T9ln45Mbk8g/s800/Doyle-Meyers%20T201%20Auto%20SGC%2040.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/pmifsud3d/AutographedT201?authkey=Gv1sRgCKiHg9bOhbfTMw&feat=embedwebsite">Autographed T201</a></td></tr></table>

bijoem

07-21-2009, 09:22 AM

http://www.internetville.com/images/albums/userpics/wagnerStamp.jpg

DixieBaseball

07-21-2009, 09:57 AM

This is the only example I have ever seen... I know he has an Atlanta Colgan Tin Top which is rare as well. Harry split time between Atlanta and Nashville in 1912-13, while winning back to back Southern League Batting Titles. I always get a charge out of looking down the list of Southern Batting Champs and seeing Speaker in 1907, Jackson in 1910, and Welchonce in 1912 and 1913...

Ladder7

07-21-2009, 10:03 AM

Great thread and proves there are far more rarer cards than "The Card".

Been trying to upgrade this one for a few years (the back is even worse). Just can't seem to lacate another anywhere.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c327/oche16/31EXHIBITSRuthGehrig.jpg

smtjoy

07-21-2009, 11:53 AM

Very Nice 31-32 Exhibit, if you ever upgrade I would be interested in that one for sure. Here is a 33 Exhibit Ruth-

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/smtjoy/Exhibit%20Collection/1933/33exnyal50.jpg

canjond

07-21-2009, 06:25 PM

I would venture to guess this may be the nicest one in existence (of the few that there are)...

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/jon_canfield/S110-1.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/jon_canfield/S1102.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/jon_canfield/S1103.jpg

E93

07-21-2009, 07:05 PM

<a href='http://img132.imageshack.us/i/n167gillespie.jpg/'><img src='http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7383/n167gillespie.jpg' border='0' alt='Image Hosted by ImageShack.us'/></a><br/>

And one of those B.S. condition rarities, just for the hell of it. ;)

<a href='http://img241.imageshack.us/i/e93cobbpsa8300dpi2.jpg/'><img src='http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7166/e93cobbpsa8300dpi2.jpg' border='0' alt='Image Hosted by ImageShack.us'/></a><br/>

E93

07-21-2009, 07:15 PM

Richard,
Nice Clement Bros. Cobb. Is that the holy grail for Cobb collectors?

Paul,
Awesome autographed T206 Johnson.
JimB

Bicem

07-21-2009, 07:28 PM

I'll allow THAT one Jim!

calvindog

07-21-2009, 08:09 PM

Rob D.

07-21-2009, 08:14 PM

As for the holy grail for Cobb collectors...hmm...I'd have to say that it is the Boston Garter color card which Hunt auctioned off a couple years back.

Any consideration for the Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb back?

bijoem

07-21-2009, 08:21 PM

Jim, beautiful card, truly. Not sure how that one didn't get a bump.

As for the holy grail for Cobb collectors...hmm...I'd have to say that it is the Boston Garter color card which Hunt auctioned off a couple years back.

I'm not passionate about Cobb cards, but he is one of the players I collect.

The Clement Bros. is by far my favorite cobb card.

calvindog

07-21-2009, 08:46 PM

Any consideration for the Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb back?

Not for me because it has a front similar to the T206...the BG is just so different from any Cobb card..and it looks beautiful. I was the underbidder but am confident I would have never outbid the guy who won it...so that helps...a bit.

paul

07-21-2009, 10:33 PM

Geez, I've been missing out on all the fun. Sorry, these aren't to scale and I don't know why they are squished up next to each other. They are: 1904 Allegheny Frank Selee, 1902 W600 Hugh Jennings as a player with Philadelphia, T5 Pinkerton of Joe McCarthy as a player, Acebo (Cuban) of Chuck Connors, and Imperial Chocolate (Cuba) of Ruth and Hornsby.

Exhibitman

07-22-2009, 06:03 AM

Like visiting a museum.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=23&pictureid=901
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=23&pictureid=902
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=23&pictureid=903
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=23&pictureid=904
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture.php?albumid=23&pictureid=905

tedzan

07-22-2009, 08:00 AM

Not sure how rare my Obak Ten Million card is....but, in terms of the "law of supply vs demand", this card
in my opinion is in effect....a "RARE" card.

<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/obakcarlisletenmillion.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

TED Z

E93

07-22-2009, 08:51 AM

Jim, beautiful card, truly. Not sure how that one didn't get a bump.

It was the lack of eye-appeal. :confused: Mint corners and no staining.
JimB

rman444

07-22-2009, 08:58 AM

There are a ton of great cobb cards, but I would put the BG cobb near the top of the list as well.

triwak

07-22-2009, 10:30 AM

Kenny Cole - Love those Negro League HOFers! Here's a handful of toughies:

tbob

07-22-2009, 10:58 AM

Not one of the E95 notebook cover Chances (they all have Chicago at the bottom). The NY name means it was issued or prepared to be issued or proofed to be part of a new but never issued set years after the E95 set was issued. Two others exist, a Kling Boston (mine) and one other which belongs to Keith Olberman (drawing a blank).

uffda51

07-22-2009, 10:59 AM

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/featureditems/websize/1887HastingscanKelly.jpg

uffda51

07-22-2009, 11:00 AM

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/20thcenturycabinetcards/websize/JonesKeyserArrasWagner1911.jpg

uffda51

07-22-2009, 11:01 AM

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/19thcenturycabinetcards/websize/JUSTEADcab.jpg

uffda51

07-22-2009, 11:03 AM

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/featureditems/websize/Beaneater.JPG

uffda51

07-22-2009, 11:07 AM

http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/19thcenturycabinetcards/websize/1872CDVBirdsall.jpg

My kind of thread. Some great stuff, guys. I've posted 5 cards not typically found in your grandfather's attic.

barrysloate

07-22-2009, 11:47 AM

Bruce- I purchased the Birdsall as well as the other ten Boston players from a woman who was selling them on ebay. She claimed she pulled all the Wright material out of a dumpster!

That's even better than her grandfather's attic.:)

aaroncc

07-22-2009, 01:11 PM

I have yet to see another one of these. This is a U.K. studio.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z57/aaroncerin/1860sMetropolitanPortraitCDVJCHeena.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z57/aaroncerin/1860sMetropolitanPortraitCDVJCHe-1.jpg

GaryPassamonte

07-22-2009, 01:53 PM

Bruce,
Here's the Barnes to match your Birdsall.

mzm55

07-22-2009, 02:10 PM

Here are a few genuinely rare baseball items:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m84/mzm55cards/ryancdv.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m84/mzm55cards/bigfoster-1.jpg

E93

07-22-2009, 02:14 PM

TBob,
That E95 Chance proof is cool!
JimB

canjond

07-22-2009, 02:31 PM

TBob,
That E95 Chance proof is cool!
JimB

TBob - love the card but I'm curious, can we be certain it isn't off an different notebook... one produced after the E95 notebooks? I only ask because the left side of the card appears to have black frame-like lines.

bmarlowe1

07-22-2009, 03:15 PM

mzm55:

Who is the guy in the top cdv?

GaryPassamonte

07-22-2009, 05:40 PM

I believe the player in the "top CdV" is Johnny Ryan. Along with this Warren CdV, he is also pictured on a Warren cabinet in full Boston uniform. This is interesting because he never played for Boston. Maybe others can solve this apparent mystery.

mzm55

07-22-2009, 06:01 PM

Gary's correct, it's Johnny Ryan. Do you have an image of the team cabinet, Gary?

I believe Scott Forest addressed Ryan and his interesting career in a publication years ago but I don't remember the exact details.

barrysloate

07-22-2009, 06:01 PM

Gary is correct, it's Johnny Ryan.

jim

07-22-2009, 06:02 PM

cool blue color to boot.
3493

scotty21690

07-22-2009, 06:04 PM

Wow, seeing all of these extremely rare cards is jaw-dropping!

Too bad I have none to contribute. Ah well, I am just as content browsing!:D

GaryPassamonte

07-22-2009, 06:06 PM

The team cabinet is pictured in the December 2005 Sotheby's/SCP Auction catalogue. It is in Lot #1.

GaryPassamonte

07-22-2009, 06:08 PM

I should have said individual cabinet instead of team cabinet.

phlflyer1

07-22-2009, 07:04 PM

I wont post any high grade E98s (or E93s since thats Jim B's department) but here are a couple of 1/1 cards.

http://home.comcast.net/~jillmay5/baseball/ASBP/ASBP_Cobb_Graded.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jillmay5/baseball/ASBP/ASBP_Wagner_Graded.jpg

fkw

07-22-2009, 07:36 PM

I post these too much...

But here are my top 3 unique "mystery" cards :)

Mystery Ruth Premium (either a prototype R309-2, or a R340?)
http://centuryoldcards.com/images/1933r340ruth.jpg
Unique, extra wide green border and green name plaque, better photo quality than the R309-2, different style easel. Some have said it might be a R340 Sport Kings Premium (unissued as planned, see wrapper scan)
http://centuryoldcards.com/images/sportkingswrapper.jpg

ca.1941 D-unc. Kroger Bread
http://centuryoldcards.com/images/1941krogerriddle.jpg
unique, never seen another...yet

postwar unique Aaron
http://centuryoldcards.com/images/1959esslingerbeeraaron.jpg
discovered on eBay 2 years ago, unique, never seen another...yet
(different style than the more common HR Derby cards, players name moved from bottom to top and beer logo placed at bottom)

Rob D.

07-22-2009, 07:51 PM

Frank,

I never get tired of seeing that Aaron.

tbob

07-22-2009, 08:21 PM

JimB- thanks.
Jon- fair question. I don't think so though. The Chance and Kling have the typical light paper feel (like the b&w E97s proofs) which is different from the notebook cover cards I have felt which feel "heavier." Whether or not it is a "proof" I guess we'll never know but the trio of cards, Chance, Kling and Davis Cleveland pegs this group at 1913 as 1912 was the only year Davis played for Cleveland, 1912 was the last year Kling played for Boston NL, and Chance was hired after the 1912 season ended to manage NY in 1913. It makes sense that a set was contemplated for 1913 but never issued. The 3 players in existence are all in the E95/E96 set and use the same photos.