Supposed List of Players Who Tested Positive in 2003 Leaked?

[canjond]

This is the rumored list of the names as listed on Rotoworld which hit yesterday I believe.

http://forums.rotoworld.com/index.php?showtopic=138280

Please note that this is not confirmed nor have I seen SI or ESPN pick up the story at all. However, for anyone who is curious of who Rotoworld has named, here is the list...

1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews
104.Oliver Perez

[Al C.risafulli]

I saw that list as well. Seems like a disproportionately high percentage of stars, especially in comparison with the disproportionately LOW percentage of stars who have tested positive and been suspended since.

-Al

[canjond]

Al - agreed 100%. Also, note that Grimsley's name does not appear on the list even though it was confirmed he was on the supposed list. I also find it interesting that no major news agencies have picked up on this if the sources were legit. I did note some local newspapers have run with the story so it is causing some stir.

[Al C.risafulli]

I think this is going to be an issue for a long time. The Players' Union really screwed up in keeping that list, and now they're receiving a lot of pressure to release the whole thing. But releasing the whole thing will cast a shadow on 102 more careers. It's a shame, really.

-Al

[packs]

Brent Abernathy played 12 games in 2003. Would he have been tested?

[HRBAKER]

It is also a shame that 100+ people tested positive as well.

[Al C.risafulli]

Jeff, it is a shame, but I'm of the belief that the percentage of ballplayers who use/d PEDs in the late 90s and early 00s was much, much higher than what the test would indicate. Like, closer to 100% than to 0%. So it's a shame that 104 guys have to take the fall for a problem that was/is rampant throughout the game.

-Al

[HRBAKER]

Al,
I understand your POV but it is a feeling per se, I have no empathy for thiose who tested positive regardless of whether they were just the ones who got caught.

Jeff

[ktwilli71]

Well if that is a real list....

Im glad to see my favorite modern player not on there

Chipper Jones

[Al C.risafulli]

Unfortunately they got caught doing something that there was previously no punishment for, and unfortunately MLB (in my opinion) condoned the behavior by turning a blind eye in the wake of the Sosa/McGwire race.

The policy is still riddled with holes; besides the fact that there is currently no test for HGH, the banned substance list contains a host of chemicals that are present in OTC supplements and others that are legal in other countries (look at the large number of Latin American players who have been suspended; many stated that they took supplements purchased in their home countries at drug or health food stores).

The punishment is also weak; even a 50-game suspension for someone making millions of dollars is certainly not an incentive when a multimillion dollar contract is at stake. The risk:reward ratio still favors the user. If MLB wants to get serious about the "problem" they will push for a lifetime ban for first offenders and users of HGH, and stop granting medical exceptions for drugs like Ritalin unless a league doctor verifies it is medically necessary.

Until that happens, I'll keep watching baseball and I'll keep marveling at the skills of guys like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, because I assume they played on a level playing field.

-Al

[calvindog]

Are there any Red Sox that did NOT make the list?

[HRBAKER]

Wouldn't the only way it was a level playing field be if everyone was doing it? I concur that MLB shares the burden as they knew something was up but chose the heightened attendance and interest in their sport recovering from work stoppages. I also enjoy/love watching baseball and will continue to and continue to believe that Clemens and Bonds were cheating regradless of how marvelous their feets (and feats). This hasn't killed my love of baseball, only reinforced the need to be a cynic regarding anything where oodles of money are involved.

[drc]

PED use was so extensive, the list includes entire families

[HRBAKER]

Are there any Red Sox that did NOT make the list?


The list, if fictional, was obviously not proferred by a BoSox fan.

[Jim VB]

I'll play devil's advocate here, although I am in no way condoning usage of these drugs.

The only reason that the Players Union agreed to these tests were to see the extent of the problem. The condition of the tests mandated that the results would remain confidential.

For 5+ years MLB kept their end of the deal. The results indicated a problem at a level that caused the current testing program to kick in. This system worked as it was designed to.

Flash forward to 2008-2009. Congress gets involved and subpoenas the records. Less than 6 months later, we've had nothing but leaks and innuendos. First ARod. Then Sosa. Now 102 other guys.

If my name was on that list, guilty or not, I'd be looking for someone to sue!

[HRBAKER]

You're no devil, I don't disagree with what you say. The Union and MLB were complicit, the results (on field) were just too significant for any thinking fan to not realize that there was a stench in the air. The names however should not have been leaked. However to me it is still very reasonable to cast a jaundiced eye toward anything of an eye-popping nature over the last two decades.

[tbob]

Not a single Twins player on the list :)

[oldjudge]

Jeff--Grady Little

[egbeachley]

It's a good thing they had several months warning that the test was coming. The smart ones went off the juice before testing.

[Al C.risafulli]

As I understand it, the reason why the Players' Union didn't destroy the list immediately, as they were supposed to, was because they spent so much time trying to get players REMOVED from it. When they received the list, they fought every name, defending each player and their positive tests (claiming false positives, OTC drugs, prescription drugs, etc). The way I heard the story, the original list was more than 104 players.

In fighting to get players removed from the list, the list was never destroyed.

Or something like that.

And Jeff, yes, in order to have a level playing field, everyone would have to be doing it. That's exactly what I'm implying.

-Al

[sox1903wschamp]

Are there any Red Sox that did NOT make the list?

Grady Little and Theo, that's about it. :rolleyes:

[HRBAKER]

Maybe I live in a dream world but I have a hard time believing every player was on PEDS.