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04-28-2009, 03:15 PM

Posted By: Bruce DorskindYankees adjust premium ticket prices Tuesday, April 28, 2009 | 3:47 PM BRONX -- The Yankees have reviewed their ticket prices and are making some changes. Spokesperson Alice McGillon released the following statement by the New York Yankees: "A few weeks ago, I indicated that in light of the economy we would review the pricing of a small number of our premium locations at Yankee Stadium; specifically, our Suite Seats. I mentioned a small number of locations because in excess of 3.4 million seats, including 37,000 full season equivalents as well as approximately 85 percent of all our premium locations have already been sold. Yet, there are a few hundred Suite Seats in our premium locations that have not been sold on a full season basis. As a result, and for many of our fans who have already purchased full season Suite Seats in such premium locations, the Yankees are announcing today a program that adjusts certain prices and benefits affecting such Suite Seats," said Hal Steinbrenner, Managing General Partner of the New York Yankees. For the 2009 regular season only, the following price adjustments and benefits are being adopted effective immediately for a few hundred Legends Suite and Delta Sky 360 Suite Licensees. Story continues below Advertisement A. The full season Legends Suite and Ticket Licenses in the first row in Sections 15A, 15B, 24B and 25 will be reduced from $2,500 to $1,250 per regular season game. All fans who have purchased such full season Suite and Ticket Licenses will receive, at their choice, a refund or a credit. B. The full season Legends Suite and Ticket Licenses in the first row in Sections 11, 12, 13, 27B, 28 and 29 will be reduced from $1,000 to $650 per regular season game. All fans who have purchased such full season Suite and Ticket Licenses will receive, at their choice, a refund or a credit. C. All fans who purchased full season $2,500 Legends Suite and Ticket Licenses in the first row, in Sections 16 - 24A, will receive an equal number of complimentary Legends Suite Seats in the first row in Sections 16 - 24A for each of the remaining regular season games during the 2009 regular season. D. All fans who purchased full season $1,250 Legends Suite and Ticket Licenses will receive an equal number of complimentary Legends Suite Seats in the $1,250 Legends Suite price category for 24 games during the 2009 regular season, as selected by the Yankees. E. All fans who purchased full season $850 Legends Suite and Ticket Licenses will receive an equal number of complimentary Legends Suite Seats in the $850 Legends Suite price category for 8 games and in the $500 Legends Suite price category for 4 games during the 2009 regular season, as selected by the Yankees. F. All fans who purchased full season $600 Legends Suite and Ticket Licenses will receive an equal number of complimentary Legends Suite Seats in the $500 Legends Suite price category for 10 games during the 2009 regular season, as selected by the Yankees. G. All fans who purchased full season $500 Legends Suite and Ticket Licenses will receive an equal number of complimentary Legends Suite Seats in the $500 Legends Suite price category for 8 games during the 2009 regular season, as selected by the Yankees. H. Future 2009 regular season sales of full season $1,250, $850, $600 and $500 Legends Suite and Ticket Licenses, will receive comparable (dependent upon the price of the Legends Suite and Ticket License) benefits during the 2009 regular season, subject to availability. I. The Delta SKY 360 Suite and Ticket Licenses in the first row in Sections 218A - 222 will be reduced from $750 to $550 for each regular season game. All fans who have purchased such full season Suite and Ticket Licenses will receive, at their choice, a refund or a credit. In addition, for 2009, so as to encourage fans to purchase full season ticket plans in the Field Level Sections 115 - 125, the Yankees are also adopting a program affecting a few hundred seats. And, for our fans who have already purchased, on a full season basis such Field Level seating priced at $325 Sections 115 - 125, the following program is being adopted effective immediately: A. Going forward all fans when purchasing, on a full season basis, three (3) full regular season ticket plans priced at $325 per regular season game in Sections 115 - 125 will receive a fourth full regular season ticket at no additional cost. B. All fans who have purchased full season plans priced at $325 per regular season game will receive complimentary regular season tickets within Sections 115 - 125 for remaining regular season games during the 2009 regular season as follows: 1. If you purchased two (2) or three (3) full season tickets you will receive two (2) tickets for every other regular season game, commencing with either the Thursday evening game on April 30, 2009 or the Friday evening game on May 1, 2009 and alternating for the remainder of the season. 2. If you purchased four (4) or five (5) full season tickets you will receive two (2) tickets for every regular season game during the balance of the 2009 regular season, commencing with the Thursday evening game on April 30, 2009. 3. If you purchased six (6) or seven (7) full season tickets you will receive three (3) tickets for every regular season game during the balance of the 2009 regular season, commencing with the Thursday evening game on April 30, 2009. 4. If you purchased eight (8) full season tickets you will receive four (4) tickets for every regular season game during the balance of the 2009 regular season, commencing with the Thursday evening game on April 30, 2009.

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04-28-2009, 03:17 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanWow, I guess the Yankees were tired of being embarrassed by all of those empty seats. Will Randy Levine shut his big mouth now?

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04-28-2009, 03:28 PM

Posted By: peter ullmanthat's good to see. I was starting to feel a little embarrassed to be a Yankees fan...with the ridiculous ticket prices...and somewhat gaudy new ballpark.

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04-28-2009, 03:37 PM

Posted By: Kenneth A. CohenI guess there's a limit to the extent that the sheep are willing to be sheared.

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04-28-2009, 03:45 PM

Posted By: D. Bergin<img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> This IS a miracle! An even bigger miracle would be me coming up with $40,000-$120,000 to attend Yankee games for a season. Let's see. I can pay my mortgage.............or I can go to one Yankee game and sit in the big shot seats for a day.

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04-28-2009, 03:48 PM

Posted By: DaveThere's zero reason to even consider buying those premium seats, even at the slashed prices. I had great Saturday Tier seats close to home plate for the last few years and they cost me a few grand... I was shut out of those seats in the new stadium (because everyone was pushed out of those premium seats into mine!!!!) So I ended up getting Sunday bleacher seats... best move I ever made. Now my seats are less than $400 per year, non obstructed. I'm right underneath the retired numbers wall and you can roam around the stadium freely and catch the game from just about every angle. And the best part of the stadium is the CF bar that overlooks the entire field (which is now my watering hole.) What initially pissed me off became a blessing at the Yankees expense. Now if Girardi would finally figure out what the rest of baseball knows (we need a long man in the pen)... maybe the Yanks would really be on to something.

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04-28-2009, 03:51 PM

Posted By: CoreyRS.hanusThey're still grossly overpriced.

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04-28-2009, 04:02 PM

Posted By: DaveGoing to the stadium is hilarious right now. The upper decks, bleachers and outskirt seats are completely full... yet right in behind home plate it's a ghost town. I'm talking full sections EMPTY in there. Everyone looks at each other in the full areas and raises their eyebrow... Is it any wonder that the same management who got Brown, Pavano, Johnson, Karsay, and Giambi over rated the worth of their product??? I just hope this doesn't bankrupt them. Although I wouldn't mind seeing 9 hungry players on that field again instead of a few each day. I love the Pinstripes but they make it so damn hard sometimes.

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04-28-2009, 04:30 PM

Posted By: Frank WakefieldMaybe authorities should take season ticket holders into custody for a mental health examination, to see if they're mentally competent... Anyone buying a PSL and then the season ticket, gotta wonder about 'em.

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04-28-2009, 04:36 PM

Posted By: barrysloateDespite their $200 million payroll, they have crappy pitching and can't even play .500 ball. Why would anybody want to pay what the Yankees were asking for tickets? Worst deal imaginable, and it was a huge embarrassment to them when the camera panned all the empty seats behind home plate. I say lower box seats to $12 and charge 75 cents for the bleachers. That's fair.

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04-28-2009, 04:41 PM

Posted By: Jim VB"I say lower box seats to $12 and charge 75 cents for the bleachers. That's fair." Well Barry, you know as well as I do that your scenario won't happen until they can get the star players to play for $80,000 - $100,000.

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04-28-2009, 04:52 PM

Posted By: barrysloateYou know Jim, there are players in the league who make a tenth of what some Yankee players make, and they are in fact more productive. Never has a team gotten worse value, dollar for dollar, than the Yankees.

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04-28-2009, 05:18 PM

Posted By: brockBarry, May i ask what team you like.

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04-28-2009, 05:30 PM

Posted By: Frank WakefieldAnyone been to a Yankees game this year? If so, how good or bad was your seat, and what was the total cost of the outing?? From those figures we should see that we here are not really baseball fans. Most of us aren't. What are we? We are fans of 19th and 20th century baseball. Maybe fans of turn of the (last) century baseball. But we aren't fans of PSL's and $1500 tickets, are we?

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04-28-2009, 05:35 PM

Posted By: brockI have been twice so far. First was the second exhibition against the Cubs. I only paid $15 for upper Tier around 3rd base. Good view. And i went to opening day. Paid $250 for section 208, middle level around rightfield foul pole. <a href="http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r147/yanks12025/?action=view%C2%A4t=OpeningDay111.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r147/yanks12025/OpeningDay111.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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04-28-2009, 05:37 PM

Posted By: Jim VBBarry, Some teams (quite a few actually) have done a much better job than the Yankee front office of using their available resources. The Marlins, the Rays, the Twins, to name a few have managed to be competitive on and off, by using their farm system and young players, but these teams can not stay competitive for years on end. They all have trouble paying competitive salaries as soon as the players become free agents. Twins had to let Santana go, and don't be surprised when they have trouble keeping Maurer. Flowing from George down, the mood in the Yankees has always been to "win now, not later." As a fan, I love that level of expectation. I know they won't win, or even make the playoffs, every year. But losing will never be accepted like it is in many cities. And, not to make excuses for this year, (because it's way too early) but they currently have on the DL: starting 3rd baseman 2nd string 3rd baseman starting outfielder starting pitcher set-up relief pitcher

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04-28-2009, 05:44 PM

Posted By: barrysloateBrock- I've actually been a San Francisco Giants fan since I was a kid, but they have been so bad lately I've stopped watching. I'm still trying to figure how they lost the 2002 Series.

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04-28-2009, 06:06 PM

Posted By: Rob D.I've heard of some Yankees fan who paid for a PSL, bought season tickets and at the conclusion of every home game drive to Parsippany, N.J., to have their tickets graded by SGC. (Of course I'm kidding. SGC doesn't slab tickets.)

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04-28-2009, 06:10 PM

Posted By: PCI got hold of the draft press release. Interesting, the PR people must have thought better of the original clause J., which was deleted and which read as follows: "J. We apologize to anyone who purchased the Legends Suite and Ticket Licenses and Delta SKY 360 Suite and Ticket Licenses because we clearly took advantage of your diminished mental capacity. All fans who have purchased such full season Suite and Ticket Licenses will receive, at their choice, a sharp slap in the face or a brain scan." btw -- this Yankees fan stopped paying the ludicrous prices after 1992. Only time I go is if I get the firm's seats, or someone's corporate tickets. Sorry, I'd rather spend the money on something or someone else. To put things in perspective, I went a Myrtle Beach Pelicans game two weeks ago. With a coupon someone gave us in line, four of us got in for a total of $18. Granted, that's "single A Advanced" minor league baseball, but dollar-for-dollar compared to Yankees tickets, we got to see a good baseball game at a great price.

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04-28-2009, 06:19 PM

Posted By: Jim VB"I've heard of some Yankees fan who paid for a PSL, bought season tickets and at the conclusion of every home game drive to Parsippany, N.J., to have their tickets graded by SGC." Rob, That's a lie and you know it! The season ticket holders from NJ don't stay to the conclusion of the game. They leave in the 7th to beat traffic over the bridge. (Hell, when Rizutto was alive and broadcasting, HE used to leave in the 7th and listen to the game on the radio while driving home.)

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04-28-2009, 06:30 PM

Posted By: D. BerginIn the last several years I've seen Joe Mauer, Justin Morneau and a slew of other major leaguers play for the Twins AA club. Beautiful stadium, great concessions and food at cheap prices, between innings entertainment and fireworks. Cost - 5 bucks for perfect view seats right down the 1st or 3rd base line. If you really want to splurge and sit in box seat right behind the dugout it might cost 15-20 bucks. The baseball ain't bad either.

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04-28-2009, 06:32 PM

Posted By: Rob D.Jim, All I know is that if I had an ultra-high-grade ticket stub in my possession, I wouldn't be waiting until the end of any game to get it entombed with that ultra-high number on the flip.

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04-28-2009, 06:32 PM

Posted By: Greg ThebergeI kind of like what the Sox "just did" even better.

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04-28-2009, 06:35 PM

Posted By: Rich KleinI know I have a partial season ticket plan -- 8 games @ about 15 each per ticket. $5 per game for parking AND by spending I think an extra $2 per game; my wife and myself have pretty decent seats; and have the opportunity to go through what is called the "Teddy Line" which is usually free Burgers; Hot Dogs; Chicken Sandwiches; and one other meat. Also get chips and sodas as well. It really is a great deal and is much closer to where I live then the Rangers. Plus, you do get to see some good prospects. I vividly remember Hunter Pence a couple of years ago and even saw some Texas League playoff games. I've taken friends and relatives to these games -- and everyone enjoys them almost as much as the big leaguers. Regards Rich

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04-28-2009, 06:41 PM

Posted By: RichieBrooklyn Cyclones & Staten Island Yankees offer much cheaper tickets. When buying tickets for family its the best way to go. Its much easier on the wallet. My wife and kids love it also.

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04-28-2009, 06:42 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellDave, In AA did you think that Mauer and Mourneau were better than Jason Kubel. I saw them all play in High A and I thought that Kubel was as good as any prospect Twins have had last 10 years. I also liked Doug Deeds who I believe is playing AAA ball for Cubs. Jim

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04-28-2009, 07:52 PM

Posted By: Patrick McHughTotal joke. Trying to get money to pay ster-rod. Would anyone on this board really pay over 1k to see a regular season baseball game? I feel sorry for all the new yorkers who have to pay for this and the other citi stadium. Come on up to ct for a new britain rockcats game yes double aa twins. For 10 bucks you will see better baseball and better players. Doubt me. just check who has played there lately. Yes sabathia came through when he actually was good Mauer, Morneu, Hunter. Santana, Ortiz, and so many others that are now in the majors. Why for just over 1k i may be able to have season tickets in the dugout! In fact i will give an open invitation to all net 54 board members to come on up i will take you to a game and i belive you really will have a great time!

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04-28-2009, 08:04 PM

Posted By: Rob D.Patrick, I appreciate your passion and pretty much agree that the fan experience at a minor-league game can be better than that at a big-league ballpark. But please tell me you don't really believe that you'll see better baseball and collectively better players in the minors than in the majors. If the players really were more talented than the ones two levels above them, they wouldn't be there.

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04-28-2009, 08:20 PM

Posted By: Frank WakefieldHello Brock. Nice photo. It looked to be a beautiful, memorable day. And Opening Day is special... Opening Game for the park very special. Still, $250 for the ticket. How much total, parking or train, eats, drinks, stuff... ????

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04-28-2009, 08:49 PM

Posted By: Rich KleinIIRC; and I don't remember like I used to. The late great Don Flanagan was working with SGC to get them to grade tickets. It's been a while; did they ever continue with grading tickets? I know we're joking about that; but I think they did at one pt Rich

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04-28-2009, 09:00 PM

Posted By: D. BerginDave, In AA did you think that Mauer and Mourneau were better than Jason Kubel. I saw them all play in High A and I thought that Kubel was as good as any prospect Twins have had last 10 years. I also liked Doug Deeds who I believe is playing AAA ball for Cubs. Jim Jim, To be honest I hardly remember Kubel. He just blew through AA so I'm not even sure I got a chance to see him. I went back and reviewed his statistics and yeah, he was a true minor league phenom. Morneau really exceeded my expectations in the Majors. I thought he'd be solid but not nearly as good as he turned out to be. Mauer was always just a good professional hitter. Being a catcher who could hit for a high average you knew he was destined for a long major league career. Dave

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04-28-2009, 09:11 PM

Posted By: CNI have had season tickets for the Mets for many years. I locked into a plan with my brother which includes all of our kids of 10 seats in the upper deck right behind home plate and the price per game varies from $35 for a premium game to $20 for a regular game. My brother placed the games on secondary market at a slight premium and has sold about 75% of the games in a way in which we will go to a about 20 games a year for free. The seats are just great in the new ballpark. Now I just have to get over my Hockey Rangers loss tonight. CN

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04-28-2009, 09:18 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaYou can't beat minor league ball - I try to get out to as many games as I can during the Summer. My local club is the Lincoln Saltdogs of the American Association (unaffiliated). They've lowered prices on Monday's to the inaugural season ticket prices so that means my family of three will get in to the park for nine bucks. I still love going to Kansas City to see the big boys though. Going in June to see Cincy play. Where else can you hang out with Ronald McDonald? <a href="http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/nudan92/xFamily%20Pix/?action=view&current=dogs006.jpg"><img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/nudan92/xFamily%20Pix/dogs006.jpg" border="0" alt="Nick with Ronald"></a>

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04-28-2009, 09:59 PM

Posted By: doug goodmanI guess I should talk to Dodgers management about dropping the cost of my season tickets. Best seats in baseball, fantastic view of the entire field, all of the scoreboards, the inside of the visiting dugout, and the mountains in the distance, but with the Yankees making such drastic cuts, I'm not sure if it's fair for me to have to pay $324 per seat per season. Doug

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04-28-2009, 10:32 PM

Posted By: Greg EcklundBrock, Why is it that when posters say something even mildly against the Yankees that you ask what team they like? I find it strange that a fan of the most historically successful team would be so insecure...is your team above criticism or are people not allowed to dislike them?

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04-28-2009, 10:47 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaBrock is just a kid. When I was his age I would have defended the Nebraska football team tenaciously. Good thing Al Gore hadn't invented the internets yet.

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04-29-2009, 12:37 AM

Posted By: Greg EcklundDan, Thanks...didn't know his age, so I understand it now. I did the same thing when I was young too - as a lonely Utah Jazz fan living in Chicago I had to grow a pretty thick skin during two straight NBA Finals. I even wore my Stockton jersey to the United Center for a Bulls/Jazz game and got plenty of taunts and even some ice thrown at me. Anyway thanks for letting me know - now that I'm a little older I try not to let grown men throwing and swatting a ball around a field effect my mood, but back in the day I remember being an especially surly little S.O.B. after the Reds swept the A's in the 1990 World Series. Still refuse to acknowledge that they were a better team than Oakland so maybe some things never change...lol.

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04-29-2009, 04:19 AM

Posted By: BrockGreg, Sorry that i asked people what their team was 2 times. Also i don't really think 18 is a kid.

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04-29-2009, 04:24 AM

Posted By: barrysloateBrock- I wasn't offended that you asked me. Seemed like a fair question.

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04-29-2009, 05:41 AM

Posted By: DaveI think Brock is probably fed up with the finger pointing at the Yankees. A lot of current baseball fans take more joy in the Yanks losing than their own teams winning. Meanwhile the Yankees are paying some of the small market clubs to stay in business with lux Tax. I hear what everyone says about player development but it's hard to do that when you've been on top of the league as long as the Yankees. The Rays, Twins and Marlins have all had time to rebuild... the Yankees can't do that. It's not in the George S playbook. And as for the Yanks... I'll finish it with this because it's hard for me to be unbiased since they are my team... I love the Steinbrenners. They take their money and put it in the team. Can't say the same for most of the other owners. P.S. The kid Hughes sure looked great last night. Need more of him.

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04-29-2009, 05:53 AM

Posted By: Rob D.Indeed, persecuted Yankees fans are sympathetic figures.

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04-29-2009, 07:16 AM

Posted By: David Atkatz"I love the Steinbrenners. They take their money and put it in the team" No, Dave. They take your money and put (some of) it in the team. Some perspective. I grew up a few miles from the stadium in the late fifties-early sixties. I've been a Yankee fan all my life--saw my first game at the Stadium in 1959. But I've finally had enough of the Yankee Organization, and their arrogance, greed, and hypocrisy. Although I continue to collect vintage (1903-1927) Yankee material, today I root for whomever are playing the Yanks.

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04-29-2009, 07:30 AM

Posted By: Dan BrettaSorry Brock, no disrespect was meant. 18 is a young man, and even now at 42 I can still be sensitive about the Cornhuskers. You have lots of time to become jaded about big time sports like most of us. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="wink.gif"> I'm a Red Sox fan, but I tend not to poke or prod at the Yankee fans in this forum because most of them I consider friends...and I also understand as a fan what it's like to go from the mountaintop to the valley of despair.

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04-29-2009, 07:36 AM

Posted By: howard"Barry, may I ask what team you like?" I don't see anything wrong w/that question. However, I found the "he's just a kid" exchange between two other posters unfortunate. Posts like those should be done via e-mail. I'm sure it wasn't intentional but it came off as very dismissive of Brock because he is young. It reminded me of when I was a child and adults would talk about me as if I was not there.

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04-29-2009, 07:55 AM

Posted By: Jim VB" I'm a Red Sox fan, but I tend not to poke or prod at the Yankee fans..." Dan, You do know there was really no "Curse of the Bambino." The Sox just sucked for 86 years in a row. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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04-29-2009, 08:03 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanI grew up a Dodgers fan (my dad was from Brooklyn) and hated the Yankees obviously -- but they were really unlikeable in the 70s (i.e. Reggie). I can't say that they are so easy to dislike now and even when they were winning from 1996--2006 they were still a good bunch. How can anyone hate Tino Martinez, Paul O'Neil and Jeter (yes, Jeter)? Even now they don't bother me and I admit to wanting to see them do well as I'm from New York. But I do find myself rooting hard for the Dodgers young players and Tampa Bay (I've followed them closely for about 4 years now). There's just something more interesting about watching a team put together with young players rather than high-paid mercenaries. That being said, the Yankees are hardly the only guilty ones in that department.

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04-29-2009, 08:05 AM

Posted By: Dan BrettaHoward, I agree and I already apologized. I meant absolutely no disrespect.

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04-29-2009, 08:09 AM

Posted By: Jim VBHey Brock, I think Bretta's still a "kid." (Damn guy! Bragging about being in his 40's!) It's all a matter of perspective.

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04-29-2009, 08:14 AM

Posted By: barrysloateI agree with Jeff that watching an underdog team like Tampa Bay succeed was a truly compelling story, even if it may only be for that one season. The Yankees are the neighborhood bully, pushing everybody around with their big bankroll. And if there is any justice in the world, it isn't really working. Typically they sign older players past their prime to long term contracts that seldom pan out. It's true that Sabathia and Teixeira(sp) are still relatively young, but they have very long contracts that came at a huge price. They will likely have some good seasons but as their contracts near their end it is just as likely they will not be very productive. I don't like the Yankees business model and I now find myself rooting against them. And I was a fan for many years.

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04-29-2009, 08:14 AM

Posted By: JasonI can safely say I hate Derek Jeter. Mainly because TV cameras love showing close ups of him even when he isn't on the field. Go Jays!

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04-29-2009, 08:22 AM

Posted By: howardSorry Dan, I should have read the whole thread. As usual you prove to be a class act.

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04-29-2009, 08:42 AM

Posted By: Dan BrettaI'm not sure how anyone can hate Derek Jeter. I've tried and I just can't do it. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="wink.gif">

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04-29-2009, 09:02 AM

Posted By: Marty OgelvieLife is too short to waste a good emotion like HATE on a baseball team.A lot of folks seem to forget the Yankees were terrible during the Mattingly years.. perhaps they are on the verget of another. Just like a lot of things, the Yankees have their ups and downs and have plenty of bad eras.. they are not the evil doers that so many claim they are.. marty

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04-29-2009, 09:24 AM

Posted By: barrysloateI agree it is silly to hate a team; I merely find them uninteresting (although I do expect a lot of high scoring games at the new stadium).

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04-29-2009, 09:36 AM

Posted By: Rob D.I just wish every team would finish with an 81-81 record and be equally liked and admired by every fan. That's the way it should be, but I don't know. I suppose there's hope a law could be passed ...

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04-29-2009, 09:44 AM

Posted By: howardThe Yanks weren't terrible during the Mattingly years. They were only bad for three or four years when Mattingly's back was deteriorating and the Yankees foolishly let Rickey Henderson get away (among other bad moves).

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04-29-2009, 10:16 AM

Posted By: Greg EcklundEnergetically hating a team is fairly pointless, but there's nothing wrong with rooting against a team. The word "hate" when used in a message board context, and especially a sports context should rarely be taken literally. Saying "I hate the Yankees" on a board usually just means somebody roots against them, not that they have a small shrine in their house with burning candles where they place hexes on Derek Jeter. Howard, The reason I brought it up in the first place was that he asked me the same question in another thread where is knocked the Yankees a bit. Perhaps I could have phrased my above post a little better, but there is definitely a difference in perspective from 18 to even 5 or 10 years later so I understand what Dan was telling me. Brock, I was just curious why you keep asking the question...there's no need to apologize for asking it or for being spirited in your team's defense. There's certainly nothing wrong with being a Yankees fan either, but you have to realize that fans of most other teams will probably be indifferent to your guys at best. If I were a Yankee fan I'd be thrilled with all the money they spend, but as a fan of a team (Oakland) that usually gets players poached from them I'm looking at it from a different perspective.

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04-29-2009, 12:07 PM

Posted By: DaveIf I've spent the money it's theirs to do with however they please. I don't consider money spent as being mine after the fact. Look at the Marlins owner... he pockets the Luxury Tax money he receives from the rest of the league. So there are 2 sides to that story. Right or wrong you have to recognize that the Yankees are a historically successful franchise... and their fan base stems in large part from it... and that without the guys you collect, they wouldn't be who they are today. Kind of ironic? The guys on your cardboard are probably the main reason they are who they are (Steinbrenners aside) I don't agree with the way they run their business most of the time either... but I don't fault the players for the front office... for that I stick with the team... good or bad. I had a lot of good years in the early 90's going to those games while I was at Fordham and they weren't winning squat. If anything it's just become tougher because of the guys and contracts they have done. But what are you gonna do? Gotta stay loyal.

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04-29-2009, 01:51 PM

Posted By: David AtkatzWhy? Let me tell ya a little story. About 10 years ago I was in Chicago on business. I'd never seen Wrigley Field, and thought I'd go take a look. The Cubs were on the road, but Wrigley was open--you could walk in, walk around, take it in... There was a T-ball team--4-6 year olds, playing in the outfield, and I even managed to step out onto the field. Friendly confines, indeed. Fast forward to four years ago. My youngest son, Daniel (who, BTW was born on the site of Hilltop Park) is two, and I decide to take him to see Yankee Stadium. He's much too young to sit through a game, so we go when the Yankees are on the road. (Sound familiar?) The loading dock between Gate 2 and the bleachers is open, and (if you're taller that, say 5') you can just see a bit of the field from the street. I ask the Yankees' low-paid Security "guard" if my son in his stroller and I can just step into the dock area, so that he can see the green of the outfield in the distance. Guess what we were told. I took my teenage son to the last game at Yankee Stadium, and the opening game at the money-sucking machine they call Yankee Stadium now. (I wanted him to be able to tell his grandchildren that he was there when Yankee Stadium closed, and I know that the new Stadium will mean something to him, so it was good that he was there when it opened.) I'll continue to go to the occasional game with the boys, but I'll be standing at the top of the seventh. (I don't collect cardboard, BTW--I collect autographs and artifacts. Still have the ball Mantle signed for me outside the Stadium in 1967. (I've seen my share of losing Yankee teams, too. Remember Horace Clarke and Dick Schofield?) Part of the beauty of my collection, for me, is that that ball, and my Ruth single, and my '27 Yankees ball, etc. were signed by the players simply to make fans happy, and not to profit the players, the team, or Steiner Sports.)

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04-29-2009, 02:10 PM

Posted By: DaveThanks for sharing those stories. It's too bad you were denied looking over the field but let's be honest here... that low paid security guard was probably acting on his own and on a different day your experience may have been different. Not saying it's a fact but it's possible. As for the money sucking machine... I pay $12 a seat for my bleacher tickets. Would I prefer to be in the leather recliners behind home? Certainly. But I enjoy the games every bit as much. Your collection sounds fantastic. I don't remember Horace and Dick playing but I do know about those teams and have their cards. I just think it's sad that you hate and root against a team you loved as a kid because of their front office. I've met a lot of their players over the years from my job and they have all been very nice... Jeter, Justice, O'Neil, Clemens and a bunch of others. All very cool and ready to sign stuff for nothing. I'm just saying I root for the pinstripes... not the suits. I try not to pay attention to those guys.

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04-29-2009, 02:25 PM

Posted By: David AtkatzI don't hate the team (well, maybe a player or two <img src="/images/wink.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="wink.gif"> , just the owners and the organization. There are players on that team I like quite a bit. (I gave Posada a standing O on opening day--no one deserved to hit the first home run in that park more than him.) The only thing that will make the organization miserable (apart from losing a bundle of dough, but that ain't gonna happen) is for the team to lose. So that's what I'm rooting for. Tearing down the real Yankee Stadium for purely mercenary reasons is, to me, unforgivable.

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04-29-2009, 03:06 PM

Posted By: DaveI was hoping they were going to turn it into a kids park. Would be quite fitting but I haven't heard what they are going to do with the property. It does stink to tear it down but time goes by and things change. Could have been worse... they could have moved to Manhattan. Just staying up there is a feat in itself.

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04-29-2009, 03:06 PM

Posted By: D. BerginMaybe if I threaten to move to Jersey I can get the taxpayers to subsidize my mortgage for me. Then I'll finally be able to afford those Yankee tickets. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="wink.gif">

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04-29-2009, 03:20 PM

Posted By: Bruce Dorskind We often wonder how grown men (and women) can hate a baseball team. You can hate a serial killer or a terrorist or even a left wing Commie Journalist like Rachel or Keith...but hating a baseball team seems to be a bit above and beyond. We have been life long Yankee fans since we were 5 years old. In that time the Yankees have won ten world series and provided us with thousands of hours of joy and countless memories. We have bonded at Yankee games, made great friendships; won major multi-million dollar clients; and even had a few romantic moments. Whether it was the Mick, Yogi, Moose, Whitey, Ron, Bobby, Derek Casey, Ralph or Joe...they all did their best. Money aside the fans came first. They taught us the importance of winning. Whilst the Steinbreners were aggressive in their prices (our tickets have gone up 1200% in the past 6 years), they have invested in the team; they do making winning the priority and they are certainly the most famous sports team in history. The Yankees have always been the object of jealously and envy...but they have also been a symbol for elegance and grace on the field and unending commitment to excellence. We are disappointed that the Nutty Associate Professor puts so much energy into hating the Yankees. Perhaps, when he is gone to that" classroom in the sky" Robert Edward Auctions will have a special section in their Spring 20-- catalog- "The Yankee Hater Collection." That, indeed, would be true American Justice. Bruce Dorskind America's Toughest Want List

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04-29-2009, 03:28 PM

Posted By: brockDave, It's being turned into acouple baseball and softball field's.

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04-29-2009, 03:29 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDamn capitalist pigs! The owners of a baseball business actually want to make money! Sons of bitches....

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04-29-2009, 03:36 PM

Posted By: barrysloateI don't hate Rachel or Keith..seem like decent people to me. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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04-29-2009, 03:45 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaStay on target. NO POLITICS!!

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04-29-2009, 03:50 PM

Posted By: barrysloateNot even with a smiley face attached?

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04-29-2009, 03:51 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanESPECIALLY WITH A SMILEY FACE ATTACHED! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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04-29-2009, 03:54 PM

Posted By: barrysloateTough crowd!

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04-29-2009, 03:54 PM

Posted By: leonDid I see a reference to Group sex?

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04-29-2009, 03:58 PM

Posted By: DaveAs long as we stay away from going further in depth on Bruce's "romantic moments" at the Stadium I think we'll be OK here.

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04-29-2009, 04:02 PM

Posted By: Greg EcklundDave, Don't read too much into it...it was a romantic moment with an extremely rare e126 American Caramel in PSA 8. And don't worry...everything was slabbed.

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04-29-2009, 04:07 PM

Posted By: David AtkatzDorskind, you really are a jerk. (Oops. I meant to type "joke." But, what the hell. We all make mistakes.) "Multi-million dollar clients" my ass. Hell, you don't even have an office. "thousands of hours of joy and countless memories"? That's what a family provides. Of course that's something you wouldn't know. "We have bonded at Yankee games... and even had a few romantic moments." With whom? Five-fingered Mary?

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04-29-2009, 04:10 PM

Posted By: Jim VBBruce, You seem to have a shallow understanding of the word "hate", especially considering that, less than 2 weeks ago you were emailing me death threats. Buy a mirror blowhard. Edited to add: Dorskind romantic moments at the old Stadium are reason enough to tear it down.

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04-29-2009, 04:18 PM

Posted By: barrysloateI was wondering about those romantic moments too...are the Yankees still letting fans make out in the back of the bleachers?

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04-29-2009, 04:29 PM

Posted By: Michael SteeleHey go Red Sox <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> I had to get that in on this thread but you have to respect that the Bombers are trying and will continue to try just like the Sox did for 86 years.

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04-29-2009, 04:36 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman"Did I see a reference to Group sex?" LOL!

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04-29-2009, 04:39 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaPlease return this discussion to politics ASAP. Thanks!

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04-29-2009, 04:40 PM

Posted By: barrysloateWow it worked! We got Dan to let us talk politics. Who wants to start?

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04-29-2009, 04:52 PM

Posted By: Jim VBI'm having a hard time posting. I have a massive headache from these images and I just threw up in my mouth, (not a little). It's a nasty direction this thread has taken. Edited to remove reference to Swine Flu so Barry can make funny!

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04-29-2009, 04:52 PM

Posted By: Richard SimonYour choice guys, which direction do we go now? Bruce talking about his romantic life at Yankee Stadium (I am picturing George Costanza and Susan Ross, oy vey)or political talk? What a choice you have forced us to make Dan. == I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. Unknown author -- We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember. No retreat baby, no surrender. The Boss

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04-29-2009, 04:54 PM

Posted By: barrysloateJim- I was going to tell a Swine flu joke but now I can't...you stole my punch line.

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04-29-2009, 05:34 PM

Posted By: Jim VBBarry, I've cleared the way for you. You're up!

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04-29-2009, 05:38 PM

Posted By: barrysloateSo I watched Rachel Maddow last night and I woke up this morning with a bad case of Swine flu...boy, she is dangerous. Was it worth it?

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04-29-2009, 05:41 PM

Posted By: Bruce Dorskind The Nutty Professor's sick and distorted mind is at work again. We have in fact taken very lucrative clients to the Yankee games. If the failed physics professor cares to put up wager and investigate we will be happy to bet him. Otherwise he should keep his inane comments to himself. As for hours of joy, we could think of no greater joy than that the Yankees have given us except when a certain obituary crosses our desk.

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04-29-2009, 05:47 PM

Posted By: barrysloateBruce- a lot of images of death in your posts...very dark indeed.

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04-29-2009, 05:55 PM

Posted By: jay w"As for hours of joy, we could think of no greater joy than that the Yankees have given us except when a certain obituary crosses our desk" Wow! just hope this was written in jest, if not get some professional help.

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04-29-2009, 06:01 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellWell this is usually the time I jump in to defend Bruce not because he is right or because down deep he really is a good guy. I could care less what kind of a guy he is. What he does do is consistently posts the most interesting posts on Net 54 and alone is reason enough to check the board from time to time.

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04-29-2009, 06:03 PM

Posted By: leoncomedy could not be written. This is great...

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04-29-2009, 06:06 PM

Posted By: barrysloateThis thread will keep everybody entertained while they plan and execute their bids for tonight's auction.

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04-29-2009, 06:09 PM

Posted By: Jim VBWould someone please forward this thread to O'Keefe? He hasn't had a good column on Bruce since October.

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04-29-2009, 06:11 PM

Posted By: paulstratton<img src="http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z105/pstratt63/n629680631_4388156_4810.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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04-29-2009, 06:12 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz"As for hours of joy, we could think of no greater joy than that the Yankees have given us except when a certain obituary crosses our desk." Ya know, Bruce, perhaps you'll get your wish. Years ago my (and my wonderful wife's, of course) wedding announcement was written up the Sunday New York Times. Who knows? Maybe, when the time comes, my obit will make the Times, too. One thing's for damn sure, though. Yours won't.

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04-29-2009, 06:17 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanThis thread is truly hilarious. I'm considerably younger than both David and Bruce so I fully expect to be around when both of them reach their heavenly reward. Can we take action on the obit challenge? And no, paid obits don't count!

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04-29-2009, 06:19 PM

Posted By: Bobby I.Ticket prices totally ridiculous. Cutting those prices 25% would not have increased sales at all. Just think about it though if you have sold 1/2 your $1000 seats or cut the price to $500 and sell all the tickets you bring in the same amount of revenue (assuming you refund those who paid the higher prices initially). So essentially the only thing they've accomplished is filling the seats. I would be po'd regardless if i paid higher and now get seats i don't want for free or that they tried to take advantage of me to start with. Either way its a total cluster f.

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04-29-2009, 06:22 PM

Posted By: David AtkatzYou can "hold the money," so to speak, Jeff. Just try and let me know what happened.

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04-29-2009, 06:23 PM

Posted By: Richard SimonThe greatest joy he has ever had is the Yankees (that is sad) and he hopes for the death of a poster on this board (that is more sad),,,, wow, sounds like a perfect candidate for that HBO shrink show. You used to make me chortle Bruce, but you have taken a turn for the worse on this thread. === I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. Unknown author -- We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember. No retreat baby, no surrender. The Boss

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04-29-2009, 06:26 PM

Posted By: Greg EcklundJeff, Which of the Bruces would have to pass in order to win your challenge...all of them or just one?

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04-29-2009, 06:40 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanGreg, fair point. We'll give David 2:1 odds because of that.

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04-29-2009, 06:52 PM

Posted By: Rob D.Please cut Bruce some slack and give credit where credit is due: Instead of e-mailing wishes of death to someone -- as he usually does -- this time he has posted in a public place for all to see. That's progress. I suppose.

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04-29-2009, 07:05 PM

Posted By: AlMaking money. They were one of just two teams to lose money in 2008. Detroit has an excuse but New York? Must be the small market factor. Also figures that they are the most highly leveraged. 95% debt level is similar to the worst of recent mortgage originations. No wonder they are whacking ticket prices. Can't service the debt without people in the seats! <a href="http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/33/baseball-values-09_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Income.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a> (new window)

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04-29-2009, 07:13 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellI think Bruce's obituary has a much better chance of getting in--Atkatz is an asst prof and based on info Jeff has come up with for the board--a crappy one at that; he would not even have a job if tenure did not exist. Bruce is world renowned in private equity and is friends with Yogi Berra.

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04-29-2009, 07:35 PM

Posted By: JasonBruce is quite possibly the best forum persona/troll I have ever seen on a message forum. Magnificent.

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04-29-2009, 08:14 PM

Posted By: David AtkatzAnother gratuitous insult from that master of high finance, Jim Crandell. Long, long after we're both dead and gone Jim, I will (at the least) be remembered for my published research, which exists at every physics library in every country throughout the world. Perhaps, even then, as today, my work will continue to be cited by working physicists. What will you be remembered for, Jim? Helping to drive your company out of existence? Or perhaps owning the greatest number of slabs of clear plastic? When PSA disappears (as it surely will, eventually) your entire raison d'etre dies along with it. Here's to a life well spent.

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04-29-2009, 09:13 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaWell now I think that makes 4 members of the Dorskind Deathwish Club. IIRC Jay Behrens was the charter member. Although I think I may be the most famous member of the club since it made the New York Daily News.

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04-30-2009, 04:29 AM

Posted By: JimCrandellHa Ha Azkatz--go back to your asst prof position and work on your student rankings--what an ignorant fool you are.

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04-30-2009, 07:02 AM

Posted By: David AtkatzJeez Crandell... is that your best? If you're an example of their "talent," it's no wonder Lehman went belly up.