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01-14-2008, 10:08 AM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>OK, I'm fairly new to match cover collecting, so these may be basic questions, but here goes...<br /><br />In the Sports Collectors Bible, it states that some players appear in all 4 color color covers (blue, green, red, tan), some only appear in green red & tan, and some only in 1 color. Is there an up-to-date list of which players appear on which color covers? The nature of how I collect things requires me to not only collect every player in the set, but also every color variation and any other variation.<br /><br />

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01-14-2008, 06:46 PM
Posted By: <b>Michael Moran</b><p>Here's the list I have, but there are others, especially Chicago Bears - I've seen Link Lyman and just traded for a Carl Brumbaugh<br /><br />Second Football - Type 1<br />This set, published in 1934, differs from First Football, as four background colors are used: Blue, Green, Red, and Tan. Most players appear in Green, Red and Tan, while a few appear in all four colors, and some in only one color. Manufacturer’s imprint is a single line: The Diamond Match Co., N.Y.C. The players photos are in color. Over 450 covers known to be in this set.<br />Antilla, Arvo, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan<br />Badgro, Morris, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Bartell, Herbert, Red<br />Battles, Cliff, Boston Redskins, Green, Red, Tan<br />Bennis, Chuck, U Illinois, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Benyon, Jack, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan<br />Bodenger, Morry, Detroit Lions, Green, Red, Tan<br />Bond, John, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Brown, John, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Burnett, Dale, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Caddell, Ernie, Detroit Lions, Red<br />Cagle, Chris, Brooklyn Dodgers, Green<br />Campbell, Glenn, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan<br />Canella, John, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan<br />Carter, Joe, Philadelphia Eagles, Tan<br />Caywood, Les, Cincinnati Reds, Green<br />Chapman, George, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Christensen, Frank, Detroit Lions, Green<br />Clancy, Stuart, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan<br />Clark, Myers 'Algy', Cincinnati Reds, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Collins, Paul, Boston Redskins, Green, Red, Tan<br />Connell, Jack, Manhattan "Jaspers", Green, Tan<br />Crow, Orien, Boston Redskins, Green, Red, Tan<br />Dietz, Lone Star, Boston Redskins, Green, Red, Tan<br />Doehring, John, Chicago Bears, Red, Tan<br />Downey, Jimmie, Tan<br />Edwards, Turk, Boston Redskins, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Emerson, Ox, Detroit Lions, Red<br />Feather, Tiny, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Flaherty, Ray, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan<br />Froschauer, Frank, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan<br />Galbreath, Chuck, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan<br />Gragg, Elbert, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan<br />Grange, Red, Chicago Bears, Green, Red, Tan<br />Grant, Cy, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Grant, Leonard, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Grant, Ross, Cincinnati Reds, Blue<br />Griffith, Jack, U Georgia, Blue, Green, Red<br />Gryboski, Ed, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan<br />Gutowski, Ace, Detroit Lions, Green, Red, Tan<br />Hanson, Swede, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan<br />Hein, Mel, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan<br />Heller, Warren, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan<br />Hewitt, William, Chicago Bears, Tan<br />Irvin, Cecil, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Jergensen, Carl, Green, Red<br />Johnson, Frank, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Johnson, Jack, Detroit Lions, Green, Red, Tan<br />Jones, Robert, Green Bay Packers, Green<br />Jones, Tom, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Karcis, John, Brooklyn Dodgers, Green, Red, Tan<br />Kasal, Joseph Edw., Green, Red<br />Kelly, John Sims, Brooklyn Dodgers, Green<br />Kenneally, George, Philadelphia Eagles, Tan<br />Kiseling, Walter, Green, Red<br />Knapper, Jack, Philadelphia Eagles, Tan<br />Knox, Frank, Detroit Lions, Red<br />Kopcha, Joseph Edw., Chicago Bears, Green, Red<br />Krosky, Ice, Tan<br />Laws, Joseph, Green Bay Packers, Tan<br />Lay, Russell, Detroit Lions, Green, Red, Tan<br />Lee, Hilary, Cincinnati Reds, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Lefebvre, Gil, Cincinnati Reds, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Leonard, Jim, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan<br />Lindberg, Les, U Illinois, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Lipski, John Bull, Philadelphia Eagles, Tan<br />Lubratovich, Milo, Brooklyn Dodgers, Green<br />Lumpkin, Roy "Father", Detroit Lions, Green, Red<br />MacMurdo, Jim, Philadelphia Eagles, Tan<br />Matesic, Edward, Philadelphia Eagles, Red<br />McCullough, Dave, U Georgia, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />McKnight, John, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />McNally, John, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan<br />Minot, Al, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Mooney, Jim, Cincinnati Reds, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Moorehead, Leroy, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Morgan, Bill, NY Giants, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Moser, Bob, Red<br />Mulleneaux, Lee, Cincinnati Reds, Blue<br />Munday, George, Cincinnati Reds, Green, Red, Tan<br />Musso, George, Chicago Bears, Red, Tan<br />Newman, Harry, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan<br />Norgard, Al, Green Bay Packers, Green<br />Oehler, John, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan<br />Opper, Charlie, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Owen, Bill, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan<br />Owen, Steve, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan<br />Pearson, Madison, Chicago Bears, Tan<br />Perkinson, Tom, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Pike, Mace, Green, Red, Tan<br />Pilconis, Joe, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan<br />Pope, Lewis, Cincinnati Reds, Blue<br />Portman, Crain, U Illinois, Green, Red, Tan<br />Presnell, Glenn, Detroit Lions, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Quatse, Jesse, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan<br />Randolph, Clare, Detroit Lions, Tan<br />Reese, Henry, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan<br />Riblett, Paul, Brooklyn Dodgers, Blue, Red, Tan<br />Richards, Richard, Green<br />Roberts, Jack, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan<br />Rogers, John "Lee", Cincinnati Reds, Blue, Green, Red, Tan<br />Ronzani, Eugene, Chicago Bears, Green, Red<br />Seick, Earl, Tan<br />Shi, Allen, U Georgia, Red, Tan<br />Shimmel, Adolph, Green, Red<br />Smith, Ben, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan<br />Strong, Ken, NY Giants, Green, Red, Tan<br />Taber, Elmer, Red, Tan<br />Tackwell, C.C. "Cokie", Cincinnati Reds, Blue<br />Tesser, Ray, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan<br />Thomason, Stumpy, Brooklyn Dodgers, Green, Red, Tan<br />Turbeyville, Charlie, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Urevig, Claude, Red<br />Vaughan, John, Pittsburgh Pirates, Green, Red, Tan<br />Wagon, Henry, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />West, John, U Georgia, Green, Red, Tan<br />Woodruff, Lee, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan<br />Zyntell, Jim, Philadelphia Eagles, Green, Red, Tan<br /><br /><br /><br />

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01-14-2008, 06:51 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Michael, thanks a bunch! That helps me out tremendously.<br /><br />Are there known "rarities" in certain colors that are not rare in others? Do certain colors sell for any premiums?

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01-14-2008, 08:54 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Michael, looking through my covers I have an Allen Shi in green, that is not listed on your list.

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01-15-2008, 07:15 AM
Posted By: <b>Michael Moran</b><p>60 years ago Tom Torrent and Frank Tripodi listed the known matchbooks in the sets put out by the Diamond Match company in the early 1930s - baseball, football, hockey, night life, broadcasting stars, and movies. These are called the T & T lists and have been passed around and published widely. I have Sports Collectors Digest Standard Catalog of Football Cards, but they don't list different colors and I don't see Link Lyman in their list. So as different colors and differt players are discovered, I don't know where a database for that information would be kept - except in this forum. Some players are hard to find in specific colors - Mel Hein in tan for example - at least for me, that was the one among the NY Giants that took the longest to find. That was the only part of the set I was really looking to complete. So it can run the price at auction up if someone is trying to finish their set and needs a specific cover. The most I've ever seen a 1934 matchcover go for on eBay was a tan Red Grange that sold for $511 in 2001 - and I haven't seen another up for auction since. I didn't buy it, but I saved the scan:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1200323647.JPG">

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01-15-2008, 12:06 PM
Posted By: <b>Mike McKee</b><p>I know this cover has been listed in guidebooks going all the way to the original sports collectors bible but I have never seen it offered for sale in my 20+ years of collecting. <br /><br />Does anyone out there have this cover that they would like to share with the group?<br /><br />Thanks <br /><br />Mike<br />

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01-15-2008, 01:58 PM
Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>It has been on my wantlist for a long time...I have never seen even a photo/scan of the card. According to a few fellow collectors, its existence has been confirmed.

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01-22-2008, 09:16 AM
Posted By: <b>Frank Rose</b><p>Has it ever been confirmed that tan versions definitely were not made for some players? I would doubt that, but simply don't know. Also, is it anyone's collecting experience that the tan version is available less frequently than the red and green versions as a whole or individually? <br><br>Frank Rose<br />Moderator<br />Vintage Football Collectors Message Board<br />www.gridirongreats.net<br />Online Orders: www.helmethut.com <br />(Click Enter Store, Gridiron Greats Magazine Tab)<br />

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02-19-2008, 08:26 AM
Posted By: <b>Michael Moran</b><p>My friend Bob Borton, who knows more about matchbooks than anyone else I know, sent this email: <br />One of my fellow collectors shared a listing of 2nd football type <br />1. I noticed an addendum with additional names as follows. Randolph, <br />Clare - Tan, Brumbaugh, Carl Tan, Lubatovich, Milo - Tan, Pearson, <br />Madison - tan and Seick, Earl - tan. I'd never seen it before. This <br />should explain some of the questions we had.