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09-29-2007, 12:01 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>OK, these are some of the nicest cards ever I've always thought; although I love lenticular cards in general. But can somebody show a scan of the little easel that came packaged with the cards? I only know about them from an old REA auction and have never actually seen an example, but that was in the pre-catalog days and hence, no photo. I've always presumed the easel was thick carboard that was punched out and then "A into B" tabbed for use. Interesting idea by Topps for displaying the 3-D's! Who's got one?

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09-29-2007, 06:36 PM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I have the set in psa 9 except for Flood and Powell. Scanned Clemente on another thread. Will put a couple up this weekend.

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09-30-2007, 01:42 PM
Posted By: <b>Al</b><p>I still need 3 to complete the set. I do have a wrapper. I know Bob has a nice set and can put up scans. I have never seen the easel though and if someone has a picture, would sure like to see what it looks like

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10-04-2007, 08:35 PM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />Here's a HOFer for you.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191458088.JPG">

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10-04-2007, 10:59 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Great shot of Perez, what Stadium is that?

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10-05-2007, 12:15 AM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>I'd bet Shea, since Topps was local.

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10-05-2007, 08:26 AM
Posted By: <b>Al</b><p>Great card

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10-05-2007, 12:33 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>I don't think it's Shea, there is no press level and the seats are all blue. But this photo is pre Veterans/3 Rivers, so where was it taken? St. Louis maybe?

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10-05-2007, 01:42 PM
Posted By: <b>Al</b><p>not St Louis

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10-05-2007, 04:58 PM
Posted By: <b>Chris Counts</b><p>It is my undestanding that the Pirates played in Forbes Field and the Phillies played in Connie Mack Stadium in 1968 ...

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10-05-2007, 05:22 PM
Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Jim C.<br /><br />Do you really have a Clemente from this set? I've been looking for one for a long time. Congrats.<br /><br />Peter C.

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10-05-2007, 10:56 PM
Posted By: <b>Dan P.</b><p>Chris is right about the Pirates and phillies home parks in the late 60's. The Pirates moved in 71 or 72, the phillies in 71.

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10-06-2007, 09:40 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>No hyperventilating now. Everybody breathe slowly.....<br /><br /><img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/miscellaneous/3Dsheet1.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/miscellaneous/3Dsheet2.jpg">

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10-06-2007, 09:48 AM
Posted By: <b>Al</b><p>Wow

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10-06-2007, 10:10 AM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Bob,<br /><br />Double wow. I have never seen that before. Who are the unnamed players?

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10-06-2007, 10:26 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Unnamed players are Rick Monday (A's), Tommy Davis (Mets), and John O'Donoghue (Indians).

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10-06-2007, 10:28 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Just noticed that the backgrounds on the Maloney and Fairly differ from sheet to sheet.<br /><br />edited to add: Background on O'Donoghue is different too.

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10-06-2007, 10:31 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>I think the stadium background on O'Donoghue helps explain why we couldn't figure out the stadium background on the Perez. Yankee Stadium?<br /><br />edited to correct incorrect stadium.

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10-06-2007, 10:33 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Looks like the background picture was simply flipped.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/american/yankee05.jpg">

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10-06-2007, 11:32 AM
Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Bob,<br /><br />The background on your Perez from the sheet is different from the graded Perez above...<br /><br />Edited to add:<br /><br />If you look at the PSA 9 Perez above, you will see a guy standing to the right of Perez above his shoulder. Now, if you look at Bob's sheet, you can see a man walking behind Perez to the left. it's almost like a sequence of photos were taken at the same time. The man is walking behind Perez on the sheet, then ended up on his right as on the card.

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10-06-2007, 12:20 PM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Thanks Bob. O'Donoghue was one I couldn't figure out. I knew it was not Sudden Sam but I don't think I knew that he was even an Indian.

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10-06-2007, 01:29 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Jon,<br /><br />Interesting about the man in the Perez picture. I'd never noticed that before. My card matches the sheet (i.e., no man to our right of Tony).<br /><br /><img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1968/1968topps3d/68Topps3DPerez.jpg"><br /><br />[Not my sheets by the way. Wish they were.]<br />

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10-06-2007, 02:55 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>lordy...........

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10-06-2007, 03:21 PM
Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />I agree with you wholeheartedly, LOL, these cards are hard to find. Don't tell me you guys found these cards on EBay.<br /><br />Peter C.

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10-06-2007, 04:04 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>Triple WOW!

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10-06-2007, 04:08 PM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Bob,<br /><br />Another thing I did not know. I have the man variation--you have the no man.<br /><br />Anyone know which is rarer?

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10-06-2007, 04:28 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>I was suspicious about this, so I checked when I got home. There aren't two variations on the Perez. Depending on the angle you hold the card, you can see a player to his (our) left or, turning it slightly, see a player to his (our) right standing behind him. Try it with yours Jim when you get a second.<br />

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10-06-2007, 06:57 PM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Bob,<br /><br />You are correct. It also looks as if there is another player behind Perez if you tilt the card and look behind Perez.

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10-06-2007, 07:01 PM
Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Now that's pretty coooool. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter C.

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10-06-2007, 07:02 PM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Here you go Peter.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191625317.JPG">

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10-07-2007, 04:05 PM
Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />Do you mind telling us where you purcased the Clemente from? More importantly do you have another that you would like to sell in the near future?<br /><br />Peter C.

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10-07-2007, 05:15 PM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Gay Moser/1993 for about $5,500 already graded. Only one I have got Peter.

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10-08-2007, 10:17 AM
Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />It's worth every penny you paid for it. Especially a PSA 9. Congrats.<br /><br />Peter C.

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11-03-2007, 12:44 AM
Posted By: <b>Duncan Harvey</b><p>Here are a couple more pics , Jim has the Robinson which we traded a while back and I don't have the return card scanned so I will post his. These do not come up on ebay except when Bob put his dups up way back. That was one exciting night, hey Bob?<br /><br /><img src="http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/kacie2001/3ds.jpg">

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11-03-2007, 07:43 AM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Bob,<br /><br />Any thoughts on where I can find an 8 or better Flood and Powell?<br /><br />Thanks.

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11-03-2007, 11:10 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />Nope. Those are two extremely tough ones (as I am sure you are well aware). I was shocked by how high the Flood went when I sold my extra 9 ($7,500).<br /><br />Bob

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11-03-2007, 11:29 AM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Bob,<br /><br />I was shocked too--keep me in mind if you hear of one please.

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11-18-2007, 03:54 PM
Posted By: <b>Vanessa Phipps</b><p>My local card shop just recently picked up a very high grade set of 68 3-ds for $9500 ungraded. He sold it to a local Dr. who is a big collector for $25,000 the next day! Wow is this set that rare to bring that kind money? Anybody have links to were this set has sold recently? Thanks

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11-18-2007, 04:19 PM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>It all depends where the cards would grade.<br /><br />If they are 9s and 10s the Doc got an unbelievable bargain.<br /><br />Bob has some recent data or one could get it on vintage cardprices,com

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11-18-2007, 05:30 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Jim is right. If it's even a PSA 8 set, then the Dr. got a bargain. VCP has very little data on recent 3-D sales since there haven't been many. They have sales data for the Clemente 10 that sold last December in Mastro ($30K) and some prices for the three common ones (Fairly, Davis, and Maloney).<br /><br />The only tough card (Clemente isn't considered tough) that there's data on is the Swoboda that sold in October on eBay for $1,703 (PSA 3).<br /><br />I would think that a PSA 8 set would go for over $30K easily on eBay. The break-up value would be more than that since the Powell, Flood, and Stottlemyre would get a LOT of interest.

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11-19-2007, 12:35 AM
Posted By: <b>Vanessa Phipps</b><p>The shop owner did tell me that every card was as good as he has ever seen in this particular set. He said being conservative every card would grade a 7 or better and more likely 8s and 9s. He also purchased a complete wilson weiners set which is supposed to be in great shape. Again I am not familiar with that particular set either but he speaks highly of it. Anybody have an idea what a set like that should be bought for? Thanks

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11-19-2007, 07:08 AM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>Everyone that has not had cards graded on a regular basis thinks their cards should be 7's or 8's. A few months ago some raw cards were posted on this forum with the owner stating they should be in that range, and they were quite obviously 5's or less. Shop owners seem to be the worst about this- it's all part of the "if I'm selling it it's gold, if you're selling it's crap" mentality many of them seem to live by.<br /> That being said, if it is truly a high grade Wilson set (with all borders showing, sharp corners, good gloss and little to no staining) and were graded accordingly it would be 35-40K. Mid grade about half that. <br />

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11-19-2007, 09:19 AM
Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>Vanessa -- Anthony is of course totally correct. And don't forget, if the seller is so sure of those grades then you have to ask yourself, "Wouldn't it be in his/her best interest to get those cards graded in the first place, to maximize their own profit, not your own?" Your pattern seems to look for highly-sought-after great-condition cards, usually ungraded, and therefore should sell for much more once you have them. Although we all have an eye out for that, the fact is that among the collected experience of this forum you will find few stories like that. Sure we'd all like a windfall, but what we all really seek are the particular cards we want at a fair price to both parties.

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11-19-2007, 11:14 AM
Posted By: <b>Vanessa Phipps</b><p>The only reason I mentioned the card dealers opinion of the cards is he is such a highly respected dealer in business today. I am not going to mention his name, because I don't think that would be right. I do trust this persons opinion on cards though, he has been doing this for a very long time and is known by most of the dealer legends around the country. Now that being said , he is asking me if I would be interested in the 54 Wilson wiener set. He hasn't given me a price as of yet so that's why i am posting asking about the set here. I guess I am asking what things to look for in this particular set that drains the value. I have researched mastro and memeory lane and can see what some of these sets go for and do understand thier value. Thank you

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11-20-2007, 12:01 PM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>reproductions drain value...<br />have him get them slabbed and then buy them.

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11-20-2007, 12:13 PM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>I'd be very wary of any dealer that would forego 4-5 figures in extra profit y not having a tough set like Wilson's graded. I suspect it's probably because he knows they won't grade what he is representing them as.<br /> Everyone thinks their cards will grade high- there were some raw cards posted on here a few months ago where the owner said they would grade 7's and 8's, and to anyone that has submitted cards for grading they were pretty obviously 4's and 5's. As you saw on your Dimaggio it can be a pretty rude awakening when a card comes back considerably lower than you had expected. But in time, if you take the oppurtunity to study those cards, you'll see why they graded as they did.<br /> In regards to the Wilsons, having completed the set a few years ago and continually upgrading it, I can tell you they often grade much lower than you would think. Staining and wrinkles can hurt the grade, centering issues with the narrow borders can absolutely kill you. It's a tough set anyway, but condition issues can make it even tougher.<br />

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11-20-2007, 04:14 PM
Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>I want to move to Vanessa's area. The dealer she goes to gets the rarest of the rare... He was able to acquire an authentic Ruth and Gehrig signed baseball and now a 1968 3-D set, etc. Why can't I ever find this stuff without having to pay ten of thousands of dollars?

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11-20-2007, 05:50 PM
Posted By: <b>Vanessa Phipps</b><p>You would not believe some of stuff he has in his safe at his shop. Believe me this guy has been doing this for a long time. Name a rare set that you are looking for and Ill bet he has it or can get very quickly. He has owned and sold some of the most rare sets in the biz.

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11-20-2007, 06:25 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>What is this dealer's name again? I missed it last time (too lazy to search).

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11-20-2007, 06:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Vanessa Phipps</b><p>I don't feel comfortable giving his name out. I didn't in my earlier posts. I've told him about this forum before trying to get him to visit sometime. He is old school and likes to lay low and be quiet. Great guy and a lot of help.

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11-21-2007, 09:37 AM
Posted By: <b>AL</b><p>If he can get me the six 67 Punch Outs I need to complete that set I will re- name my first born son after him

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11-21-2007, 09:40 AM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Vanessa:<br /><br />I would imagine he would be all over this board given the amount of people actively looking for items he is selling. I would not feel bad about posting his contact details. Plus, you might get a referral fee.

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11-21-2007, 12:59 PM
Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>I don't think I've ever heard of a dealer wanting to "lay low." It's almost like free advertising on here. <br /><br />Anthony, how is your Fox in the '54 Wilson Franks?

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11-21-2007, 04:53 PM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>Josh- It's VG-EX (PSA 4) seems pretty fairly graded. Got an extra one that will upgrade it?

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11-21-2007, 10:33 PM
Posted By: <b>Vanessa Phipps</b><p>Which 6 67 punchouts are you looking for?

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11-22-2007, 10:08 AM
Posted By: <b>Al</b><p>The 6 I need to complete are:Campeneris/Gibson/Grote/McCauliffe/McMillan/B Robinson<br /><br />I would like to upgrade: Fregosi/S Jackson/C Jones/Synder/Wynn.<br /><br />There are variations to Alou and Clemente I am looking for as well.<br /><br />Does you guy have any of there ?

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11-22-2007, 10:37 AM
Posted By: <b>dstudeba</b><p>I was always taught that the best way to run a successful retail<br />business was to lay low.<br /><br /><img src="http://baseballcardresource.com/img/54Wilson/ForSale/54WF_Fox_PSA6_A.jpg">

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11-22-2007, 11:22 AM
Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Sweet card! <br /><br />Are you allowed to say where you got it from, or does the dealer/ auction house like to "lay low?" hahah!<br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!

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12-17-2007, 09:21 PM
Posted By: <b>larry</b><p>whose uncut sheets are those<br />they look exactly like mine

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12-18-2007, 11:03 AM
Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>they were sold in auction two or three months ago.

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08-11-2008, 12:17 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Anyone come up with one yet?