Can you detect the counterfeit Rose rookie ?

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Can you tell which one of these two 1963 Topps Pete Rose rookies is a counterfeit ?<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/ab1963roserookies.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Tony Galovich</b><p>Both appear to be legit<br />But seeing cards in hand is much easier to decide as phonies usually had thin stock & a few other tell tale signs

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Posted By: <b>MikeU</b><p>The one on the right.

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Posted By: <b>Dave Haas</b><p>The middle one.

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Posted By: <b>Anthony N.</b><p>I'm with Mike, the one on the right.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>Without larger scans it's difficult, but if you tell me for certain that one's fake--I'd say the one on the right.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>They both are......<br /><br />These fakes were almost perfect replicas that were produced when the Rose rookie was really "hot" in the early 1980's.<br />The clever counterfeitor was not so clever, as he tried to dump 100's of them at one show in California. The dealers at<br />this show compared notes and he was arrested. Most of the fakes were confiscated by the police. However, many did<br />get into circulation (like the one on the left).<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/ab1963roserookies.jpg"><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/ba1963roserookies.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>TONY</b><p>I recall being at the show where these surfaced, it was A East Coast show not Calif. if memory serves me correct<br />I went from table to table & saw dealers with 10-20 Roses in their showcases & said something to myself "Something is wrong"<br />Finally at Kit Youngs table he had 20 of the Rose's displayed for sale<br />Looking at them thru the showcase I knew something was fishy, something just wasn't right<br />About a hour later finally someone actually examined the cards & determined they were fakes<br />The 2 telltale signs I recall to spot a phony was if you held the card up to a strong light looking at the reverse side, you could see the 4 circles easily, due to a paper stock that was too thin & had a waxy feeling to them, not like the typical cardboard.<br />Also on the phony Rose, there was a black outline around the cap of the Rose photo.<br />Once you examine a phony Rose rookie, you can easily spot a counterfeit almost instantly<br />Also the card you show as the counterfeit does not appear to have the black outline on the cap, so I wonder if these cards were from a another counterfeiter<br />Also Jack Petruzelli had the counterfeit stamp added to the reverse of the cards, but I know for a fact not all were stamped, so unstamped counterfeits are still floating around & being sold at flea markets etc as the real thing<br />This is a card that all novices should buy graded only, unless you are buying it for A $1 or less<br />+ the only reason so many of the phonies were sold was dealer GREED.<br />Anyone want to buy A few $1000 Bills for $400 each?

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>It has been about 25 years since these counterfeit Rose's were circulating. So, my recollection might be off;<br /> but, I thought these cards first surfaced on the West coast.<br />Anyhow, as you said, and the quickest way to discern that a Rose rookie is a fake is the black outline around<br />Rose's cap.<br /><br />Both these cards have this outline. If I focus the scan on these Rose cards, and enlarge it, you will clearly see<br /> the outline on his cap on both cards.<br /><br />Other than the subtle differences between this fake and the real Rose rookie, this fake was one of the best<br />counterfeits in the hobby. It certainly fooled a lot of dealers and collectors in the early 1980's.<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Duke42</b><p>I say the Rose card on the right.