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09-02-2007, 11:11 PM
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>How many of you have any of these extremely RARE backs from the 1952 Topps 3rd series (#131 -190) ?<br /><br />I'll show some of mine later today.....wishing everyone a great holiday weekend.<br /><br />TED Z

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09-03-2007, 12:53 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>I have 8 cards from that series -- all white backs <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-05-2007, 12:43 PM
Posted By: <b>MEWheat</b><p>only one "gray back" card in the 3rd series out of a total of 65. Ted, do you know what happened in this series and why they basically switched to "lighter" cardboard. They gray backed cardboard appears to be the standard for every other series....even the high numbered series. My gray back happens to be card #172 - Eddie Miksis.<br /><br />MEWheat

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09-05-2007, 01:35 PM
Posted By: <b>Randy Trierweiler</b><p>My understanding is the grey back cards from this series were issued in Canada. The sole Cardinal is Eddie Kazak. I must have seen 50-60 white backs before I found the grey one.

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09-05-2007, 03:06 PM
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Here's my Billy Martin and Cass Michaels cards with the regular WHITE backs and the rare GRAY backs....note the color shading in the fronts. <br><br>I have 46 of the possible 60 cards in this series with this rare back. And, I've been searching for the remaining 14 cards for almost 20 years.<br>I know of only two veteran collectors in the hobby that have a complete run of all 60 cards.<br><br>TED Z<br><br><br><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/abacks52topps.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/bbacks52topps.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br>

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09-06-2007, 07:20 AM
Posted By: <b>MEWheat</b><p>Here's my scans...<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1188994648.JPG"> <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1188994628.JPG"> <br /><br />I never knew that there were two variations in this series. How far are you on completing the set? I know from previous posts you have the Mantle...<br /><br />Thanks for the info Ted.

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09-06-2007, 11:25 AM
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>MIKE W<br><br>Over the years, I have completed two 1952 Topps sets. A near complete &quot;master&quot; set with most of the the variations....<br>totalling 540 cards.<br>Including so far, an additional 46 from this GRAY-back series of 60 cards. Therefore, I see a complete &quot;master&quot; set<br>as 553 or 554 cards.<br><br>And, a 2nd basic 407 card set, which I have sold.<br><br>TED Z

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09-06-2007, 12:20 PM
Posted By: <b>MEWheat</b><p>Wow, nice accomplishment. Now you've got me thinking about a master set....<br /><br />Tks.<br /><br />M

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09-09-2007, 03:04 PM
Posted By: <b>pat</b><p>out of all the 1952 topps cards i have, i.e. about 3 sets, i only came across these 3 gray backs.<br /><br /><img src="http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/cohocorp/graybacks.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/cohocorp/graybacks2.jpg">

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09-09-2007, 03:14 PM
Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>Ted----amazing accomplishment on completing the "master set". Can you send or post a list of all variations not counting the mid-series gray backs? Thanks in advance.....daryle

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09-09-2007, 10:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Series breakdown........<br><br>..80 - 1st Series Black backs (#1-80)<br><br>..80 - 1st Series Red backs (#1-80)<br><br>...2 - 1st Series Joe Page and Johnny Sain errors (#48 &amp; 49)<br><br>170 - Mid-Series cards (#81-250)<br><br>..60 - Semi-Hi#s (#251-310)<br><br>100 - Hi#s (#311-407)....plus Mantle, J Robinson &amp; Thomson DP cards<br><br>..60 - Rare Gray backs (#131-190)<br><br>...2 - Boone and Campos<br>____<br>554<br><br><br>TED Z<br><br><br><br><br><br>

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09-14-2007, 09:41 AM
Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>Thanks Ted, just wanted to check my list to make sure of what I knew of. How about the #307 Campos red/black star variation?<br /><a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o313/wolfie70/campos.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a><a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o313/wolfie70/camposcrop.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a><br /><br />edited to add that the above scanned Campos card is mine. Lucked up on it a few years ago.

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09-14-2007, 10:29 AM
Posted By: <b>Al</b><p>The Campos, plus the 2 front variations to the Mantle and the 2 back stiching variations to Thompson and Robinson ( also present in Mantle)<br><br>There are several front variations in the first series, but in all cases they correspond to the red versus black back variations

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09-14-2007, 11:09 AM
Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>Al, can you list some of the color variations from the 1st series? I know the Boone card has several color variations. What are some of the others?

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09-14-2007, 07:01 PM
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I have the Boone with two background colors. I don't know if I have a Campos variation.<br><br>Colors on the fronts of the 1st series of 80 cards can vary as a function of whether they<br> are Black backs or Red backs.<br><br>TED Z

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09-14-2007, 07:15 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Feller has a yellow background that is either hazy or clearly shows wood slats.

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09-14-2007, 07:39 PM
Posted By: <b>Al</b><p>I can confirm the Campos. I have one but it is only an SCG 50 ( diamond cut).<br />I agee with significant color variation on Boone. On Glaviano, the Cardinals logo is yellow or white. On Kretlow the background is yellow or tan. Same for Wehmier. I am told Crandall can be red or orange, but can not confirm. Goodman is blue or green. Zernial is green or gray, Noren too. Meuller is blue versus greenish. I am sure there are more. I do not have all the red versus black backs yet. The differnces are likely similar to the gray versus whiteback shadings.<br /><br />I am surprised the Mantle front variation is not given more notoriety

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09-14-2007, 08:16 PM
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>AL<br /><br />Back in the mid-1980's when Alan Rosen had the Hi# find some collectors were paying a slight premium to acquire what was referred to as the "Type 1" Mantle.<br />Here is a picture of my Mantle....which is the Type 1 version. I'll post a Type 2 later.<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/mmantle52t.jpg">

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09-15-2007, 09:35 AM
Posted By: <b>Al</b><p>On the other, the star border is uneven, the black border has tails, and there is a pixel toward upper left

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09-16-2007, 11:15 AM
Posted By: <b>pat</b><p>i can confrim the campos black star as well. i had the first attributed psa 4 graded version. i sold it a little over a year ago.

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11-16-2007, 03:52 PM
Posted By: <b>Vanessa Phipps</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1195167071.JPG"> <br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1195167100.JPG"> <br /><br />Just got this back from PSA. Is this one of the gray backs?

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11-16-2007, 04:55 PM
Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>vanessa,the minoso has a gray back,but the rare grey backs #131-190. so the minoso has no premium,as it is in the next series.

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11-16-2007, 05:41 PM
Posted By: <b>Vanessa Phipps</b><p>After I posted I saw that it was 194. My mistake

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12-03-2007, 11:58 AM
Posted By: <b>Nick</b><p>Not new to collecting, but new to Net54, so hello to everyone. Regarding the mid series gray backs from 1952, what kind of a premium would you say they carry? I have about 600 1952 cards, and in going through them I was able to find 7 gray backs between 131 and 190. Thanks, and hopefully besides gaining valuable knowledge, I will be able to contribute to the boards as well.<br><br>Nick

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12-03-2007, 12:14 PM
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>For an equivalent condition common, GRAY's are usually double that of the mid-series<br /> WHITE backed cards ($50 for a Nr Mt common).<br />And, of course Billy Martin goes for pretty big bucks. I traded for my Billy years ago,<br /> so I am not sure what the current price is, on his card.<br /><br />If you are interested in selling or trading them, please email me.....<br /><br />tedzan11@comcast.net<br />