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11-17-2007, 10:02 AM
Posted By: <b>ItsOnlyGil</b><p>their prime?<br /><br />My vote is Koufax.

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11-17-2007, 09:45 PM
Posted By: <b>howard</b><p>I'd like to think Score never reached his prime as he was pretty young when he was hit in the eye. Had he been able to cut down on his walks as he matured he might have been one of the all-time greats.<br /><br />I never saw him pitch, though (Koufax either). Was he something like a young Dwight Gooden?

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11-17-2007, 09:50 PM
Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>Score was injured in only his third year of pitching. Even so, Koufax was more dominant than Score in his prime. The most dominant pitcher in their prime that I ever saw was Don Gullett. I watched Koufax and Gullett pitch in their prime.....Gullett could throw harder.

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11-17-2007, 11:41 PM
Posted By: <b>cn</b><p>Both Score and Koufax did it for a short time Koufax Longer and on the big stage. Gooden had two great years but drugs ruined him. In recent times Pedro Martinez probably had the best 5 or 6 years but I would still take Tom Seaver as my modern pitcher based on his record and the fact that he pitched on week hitting teams. CN

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11-18-2007, 12:00 AM
Posted By: <b>Robert Dimand</b><p>No comparison. Koufax way above Score. Gullett may have thrown harder, but his curve wasn't on the same planet. Koufax had the most dominating 5 year run in modern days: 1962-66. Untouchable, led to such famous quotes as:<br /><br />"Hitting Koufax is like drinking coffee with a fork" - Stargell <br /><br />"I can see why he won 25 games . What I don't understand is how he lost 5" Berra<br /><br />"When Sandy Koufax retired" - Willie Stargell's greatest baseball thrill<br /><br />Certainly some other great single seasons, but Koufax led the league in ERA 5 STRAIGHT seasons. Also pitched 57 innings in the World Series, ERA of 0.95. 4 no hitters.<br /><br />OK, I am biased. But that is a 5 year stretch that hasn't been beaten, especially when the WS (truly money time) is included. Too bad he blew out his arm doing so. <br /><br />I recently picked up a DVD of the highlights of the 59, 63 and 65 Dodgers WS victories, a great watch. His 1965 WS record was magical: game 5 a 4 hit shutout, then on 2 days rest, a game 7 a 3 hit shutout, 10K's. In the WS, game 7 no less. I would match that World Series accomplishment against ANY other modern pitcher. Can you tell I was a 10 year old LA kid going nuts?? Too bad Topps didn't do any WS cards for that year. <br /><br />OK, here is a representative card (and my all time favorite). Again, a few better singular efforts, but not a 5 year run.<br /><img src="http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff243/RJDCards/64KouWS8B.jpg">

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11-18-2007, 06:49 AM
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I agree with Robert: what Koufax did in the 65 WS will never be matched. When the words "heroic" are used to describe a pitching performance this has to be the top of the list.

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11-18-2007, 06:57 AM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>I was 5 when Koufax retired, so I never got to see him. But Bob lent me the dvd of the '59, '63, and '65 WS and it blew me away. He really was incredible.

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11-18-2007, 08:05 AM
Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>Koufax was a left-handed Bob Feller. i grew up watching koufax pitch and he was as dominant as a pitcher ever was.but for ONLY 5 years. but in those 5 years he became a legend because he was that good. i really think he never lost to the cubs,now i know everybody beat the cubs in the 60's, but he beat them with ease. people here seem to think walter johnson was the best ever,feller was better. walter johnson racked up all his stats in the dead ball era. johnson was a fastball pitcher in the dirty ball era,of course you could not hit what you could not see,the balls back then were used till they lost one. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm8oHYRS6hA" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm8oHYRS6hA</a>

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11-18-2007, 08:37 AM
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I saw both of them pitch.....in the 1950's Score for a few innings that he would come in relief was amazing.<br />Reminded me of Joe Page in the late '40s.<br /><br />In the 1960's, Koufax was unbelievable....it must of been that California sun. Or was it his unorthodox pitch-<br />ing motion, where he coiled up his body in his the wind-up; and, then un-coiled in his release which would<br />throw off most batters from reading what he was throwing at them.<br /><br />Check-out some old filsms of Koufax's pitching motion and you'll appreciate what I am trying to describe.<br /><br />TED Z<br />

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11-18-2007, 12:07 PM
Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>I've gotta believe that Koufax for those five years was as good as anyone who ever stepped on the mound. <br /><br />The greatest single season performance I ever watched was Ron Guidry in 1978: 25-3 16 CG 9 Shut Outs 248 K 1.74 ERA