PDA

View Full Version : Rare Topps Test Issues


Archive
09-06-2007, 11:09 AM
Posted By: <b>Randy Trierweiler</b><p>Lets see the real rare Topps Test stuff. I'll start it out with these: <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u78/cardinalcollector/banquetcard-2.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u78/cardinalcollector/Cepedadisc-1.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u78/cardinalcollector/plaklist-1.jpg"><br /><br />Leon, sorry about the size. I haven't figured this out yet, Randy<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br /><br /> <br /> <br />

Archive
09-06-2007, 09:37 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Randy:<br /><br />Is that Disc rimmed and trimmed by Topps? Looks like a more advanced proof than most of these. <br /><br />I'll post some goodies this weekend-busy, busy right now.

Archive
09-06-2007, 09:52 PM
Posted By: <b>Randy Trierweiler</b><p>Hi Dave, the Cepeda disc is a proof. The back is white and blank, but shows some blue bleeding thru. I bought it from Bob Bostoff at the St. Louis National in 1996. I haven't seen another in this form yet. Can't wait to see your stuff. Randy

Archive
09-06-2007, 10:02 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>I'll throw a couple out there. Fun thread!<br /><br /><img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1970/1970toppscloth/70ToppsClothHiggins.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1961/1961toppsdicegame/61ToppsDiceGameFRobinson.jpg"><br />

Archive
09-06-2007, 10:17 PM
Posted By: <b>Randy Trierweiler</b><p>Bob, very nice. Do you have the 1970 Rich Nye cloth? Any idea how many exist? Randy

Archive
09-06-2007, 10:25 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Randy,<br /><br />No, I don't have the Nye (rats). I have Gentry, Hartenstein, Higgins, Laboy, Motton, NL Playoff Game 3, Niekro, and Santorini. I also have partial cards (located at the edge of the sheet, similar to the '72 cloth sheet if you've seen that one) of Alston, Culp, and Lowell Palmer.<br /><br />I have no idea how many exist. I've never seen two of the same player, but that doesn't mean much. I passed on a Jerry McNerty in the '80s because the guy wanted $100 and I wanted to pay $75. I'm an idiot.<br /><br />Bob

Archive
09-06-2007, 10:37 PM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>Bob- throw up all of your disks and standups, those are amazing.

Archive
09-07-2007, 01:23 AM
Posted By: <b>Kevin Saucier</b><p>Hell Bob, throw up just about anything in your collecion!<br /><br /><br />Here is one of mine:<br /><br /><img src="http://images1.collectors.com/psa/set_registry/m585906/70bench.JPG"><br /><br /><br />Plus (alhtough it's post 1980) I have "three" nicely cut complete sets of 1984 Topps encapsulated<br /><br /><img src="http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7708/84toppslx1.jpg"><br /><br /><br />Kevin

Archive
09-07-2007, 03:57 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>1967 Topps SF Giants Test Discs:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1967/1967toppssfgiantstestdiscs/67SFTestDiscsMayor.jpg"> <img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1967/1967toppssfgiantstestdiscs/67SFTestDiscsMcCovey.jpg"><br />

Archive
09-07-2007, 05:03 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>Can you imagine if Willie had been Mayor of SF during the Summer of Love? Man, he'd be playing with an Afro, strings of love beads, drawstring pants, and cleated sandals!

Archive
09-07-2007, 07:27 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>OK, I found some time and scanned a few. Here are some of my favorites from my Topps type set:<br /><br />Best $60 I ever spent on a card, I think: <br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/kellmajallstar.jpg"><br /><br />This "large" Hocus Focus was a lot tougher to land than I thought it would be:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/hocusfocus.jpg"><br /><br />Now for some 60's goodness. 67 Punchout of one of my all time favorite Mets:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/jonespunchout.jpg"><br /><br />67 & 68 Discs:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/McLaindisc.jpg"> <img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/alleydisc.jpg"><br /><br />This is a 68 Action All Star Proof from the Topps Vault:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/68actionallstars.jpg"><br /><br />Front and back of the 68 AL Plak Checklist( a favorite):<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/nlplakfront.jpg"> <img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/nlplakback.jpg"><br /><br />Probably the one card I would keep if forced at gunpoint to give them all up but one:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/maloney3d.jpg"><br /><br />Here's a tough Topps 68 Deckle Test/Proof featuring a minor leaguer to boot:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/68undeckled.jpg"><br /><br />I'll display some 70's oddballs in the next post.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

Archive
09-07-2007, 07:44 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>I like the stuff from the 70's a lot, maybe even more than the 60's stuff.<br /><br />Here is a 72 Candy Lid Proof (Ebay last year, $11-I was the only bidder):<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/72candylid.jpg"><br /><br />Here's a 73 Pinup (I do not have a Comic yet):<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/73poster.jpg"><br /><br />I had half a set of these until recently and kept "Furillo", which has markings on the back that lead me to believe it may have been Woody Gelman's at one point: <br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/furillo5373.jpg"><br /><br />The Sticker and Much tougher Cardboard version of the 73 Action Emblems, plus the Coin Rub Game that came with it:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/actionemblems.jpg"><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/coinrubgame.jpg"><br /><br />I remember seeing this on This Week in Baseball in the 70's:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/garagiola.jpg"><br /><br />A 74 Puzzle of Bonds (I like the Seaver wrapper better):<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/bondsjigsaw.jpg"><br /><br />And I need three for the set (very tough to complete these 74 Stamp Albums):<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/74stampalbum.jpg"><br /><br />And a nice pair of 76 Test Cloths:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/76attachedcloth.jpg"><br /><br />Well, that was fun!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

Archive
09-07-2007, 09:41 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Very cool stuff!!! Thanks for sharing! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Bob

Archive
09-07-2007, 09:43 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Dave Adlesh is sad that you called him a minor leaguer even though he had been with Houston for 5 years at that point.

Archive
09-07-2007, 10:11 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Bob-quite right, I was thinking 1969 and it looks like he was MLB thru 68. Ah, well. Still, a night time shot is pretty cool....

Archive
09-07-2007, 10:13 PM
Posted By: <b>Randy Trierweiler</b><p>Dave, very nice stuff. I will post some more tomorrow night. <br /><br />Bob, have you ever seen a 1967 Punchout Bob Gibson? <br /><br />I've been looking for over 12 years, I've never seen one. <br /><br />I talked to Steve Werley at the National, he said it exists.<br /><br />I also talked to a guy that only needed 5 for the set, and Gibson was one of them. <br /><br />Anybody have any Plaks or 1955 Stamps? <br /><br />Randy<br /><br />

Archive
09-07-2007, 11:31 PM
Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/littletreasures/yazsomeofmyfavorites/websize/y67n68discsSGC.jpg"><br><br>"Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Jong

Archive
09-08-2007, 06:39 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Randy,<br /><br />Never seen a Gibson Punchout either. Al (swaps55) has an almost complete set, so hopefully he'll chime in about the Gibson. I'm also not sure whether that's one of the few that Larry (sflayank on CU) is missing.<br /><br />Since you talked to Steve W. at the National, he probably mentioned the large number of Punchout panels that he had recently seen. Gibson was not on any of those.<br /><br />Bob

Archive
09-08-2007, 07:35 AM
Posted By: <b>Al</b><p>I still need 6 to complete that set, including Gibson. Larry also needs that one. I have not seen it in any condition. Nor have I seen the Brooks Robinson that is supposed to be in that set.<br /><br /> Dave--great picture of Carl Furillo. How do you suppose Topps managed to get 3 of the 8 cards in that set wrong ? Also, I mailed you one of the 80 scratch off games. Per our prior e mails, I still do not think they had anything to do with the 80 test coins. The big book list 4 different materials used in the 76 Cloth prototypes, which version is the one you picutred if you can tell ? Did you know each of the 68 deckle prototypes come with any of three different colored autographs, red, blue and black. I know one obsessed collector who has the "set" all three ways, but don't worry Bob, I will not name him. Also, did you know there is a 1991 version of the 76 Garagiola card you posted.

Archive
09-08-2007, 06:06 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Yeah, Topps had a bad day at the factory with those 53 Reprints!<br /><br />The 76 Cloth have a backing and are similar to the 77's in texture. I also have what is likely the sheerest of the 4 types as well in separate pieces. I missed out on an Ebay auction that had three of the four and the other two I did not have looked like thicker and thicker again versions of the sheer, flannel like ones.<br /><br />I still need the blue and black 68 Deckle Proofs. I have seen them and passed at what were good prices last year and regret that now. I relly need to get to the next National to search for some of the remaining types I need for the Topps run from 49-80.<br /><br />I was not aware of the 91 Garagiola at all. I cut everything I collect (or at least track and try to obtain) off at 1980 although I do have some research material on post 80's stuff and have a bunch of 80's issues but I haven't tried to checklist all those sets and then what I have as well. Not enough time in the day unfortunately to do that any time soon.<br /><br />I have to say I am not regretting just going after a type of each of the Topps issues. The values on someare really zooming right now.

Archive
09-09-2007, 09:45 AM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Bob,<br /><br /> Does that Dice Game card have a very light crease on one corner? If so, it used to be mine. I miss it.<br /><br />Paul

Archive
09-09-2007, 12:16 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Paul,<br /><br />It misses you too. Sometimes it cries.<br /><br />Bob <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

Archive
09-09-2007, 03:39 PM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1189283887.JPG">

Archive
09-09-2007, 04:10 PM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>Jim- have you had any issues with cracking on that card, or any others in the set?

Archive
09-09-2007, 05:13 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Here are all three types of Candy Lids.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1189289634.JPG">

Archive
09-09-2007, 06:22 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Paul,<br /><br />Awesome lids!! If you ever want to make another card miss you, please send the '72 Seaver Candy Lid to me please. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Jim,<br /><br />Beautiful Clemente!! Glad you (or Al) got the scanner working! <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br />

Archive
09-09-2007, 09:33 PM
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Anthony,<br /><br />No--don't think so. I have 10 of the 12 in high grade--missing Powell and Flood.<br /><br />Have you seen many in holders which have cracked?<br /><br />Jim

Archive
09-10-2007, 01:57 PM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>I"ve heard of a lot of stories of Kellogg's cracking in the holders, it seems to always be from collectors in cold climates. Last I checked none of mine had cracked, but cold here is 65 degrees. I would think since the same company produced the Topps as the Kellogg's that the same issues would be encountered.<br /><br /> Bob, have you had any issues with yours cracking?<br />

Archive
09-10-2007, 02:11 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>My Kellogg's 3D-s (not test issues, and not in holders) tend to warp. Maybe those that are restrained from this tendancy, such as those in a holder, cause the card to instead crack -- sort of like the weakest link in a chain...the card is "looking" to give at some part. (Anyway that's my theory...conversely, I could be full it it.)

Archive
09-10-2007, 06:53 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Bob,<br /><br /> My Seaver collection will be buried with me. I've never seen another of that 72/73/borderless whatever-the-heck-it-is candy lid. Years ago, Brian Morris told me that the borderless lids were just the first few print runs of the '73 set, and that all of the '73 lids are available in this format. You sure don't see them too often.<br /><br />Paul

Archive
09-11-2007, 06:27 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Anthony,<br /><br />No cracking yet (knock on wood). <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Paul,<br /><br />I've never seen a round Seaver in the borderless lids (until now). I've got the square cut proof (shown below) and quite a few round lids of other players. I agree that it most likely was an early printing of the '73s rather than a separate '72 issue. The box design for the '73s shows pictures of borderless lids.<br /><br />Please start a Seaver thread. I'd be very interested in seeing what you (and others) have of George Thomas. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Bob<br /><br /><img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1972/1972toppscandylids/72ToppsCandyLidsSeaver.jpg">

Archive
09-12-2007, 06:47 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Here's a Carew round '72 lid and a '73 Topps Comics Seaver:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1972/1972toppscandylids/72ToppsCandyLidCarew.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1973/1973toppscomics/73ToppsComicSeaver.jpg">

Archive
09-12-2007, 06:55 PM
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1189554903.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1189554884.JPG">

Archive
09-12-2007, 07:25 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>What's that Seaver card? I've never seen that before. (awesome Ryan)

Archive
09-12-2007, 08:29 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>I'll try to start a Seaver thread this weekend. I'll need to scan a few of my more unusual ones.<br /><br />Bob, if you have any borderless candy lids that you want to let go of, please let me know. That Carew is great.

Archive
09-12-2007, 09:57 PM
Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p><img src="http://images1.collectors.com/psa/set_registry/m514804/68TMMSticker.jpg"><br><br>Frank

Archive
09-13-2007, 08:51 AM
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>The blue Seaver is just a regular 1971 card missing the black ink. Underneath the black ink on 71ís thereís the blue dot pattern you see above. If you look closely at a normal 1971 card around the lettering and inner white border youíll see traces of the blue dots at spots.<br /><br />Here's a picture borrowed from a Topps Vault auction showing a 1970 Seaver version which you don't see every day.<br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1189605369.JPG">

Archive
09-13-2007, 07:09 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Redmanchewer or anyone knowledeable of 1970s printing techniques:<br /><br />Do you know if Topps needed to actually produce the Tom Seaver card shown on the 1970 cello box in order to make the box? Or could Topps have just made the box without ever making the card? I'd sure love that card / proof / mock-up if it exists.<br /><br />Paul

Archive
09-15-2007, 10:09 AM
Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>Frank -- I'm breaking a commandment by coventing my neighbor's Mantle. A beaut!

hcv123
10-05-2009, 08:57 PM
Anyone know anything about this - 1967 Topps Pinup Sticker - Sticker backing similar to 1967 Pirate stickers and 1968 Action all star stickers, glossy front, no #??

Always looking for Rare Topps Test issues to add to the Clemente Colllection - 1966 Punchout (Does it exist? Would love a scan if not for sale), 1967-1968 Disc. Thanks.

-Howard

Ps. Check out my next post for another real rarity!

hcv123
10-05-2009, 09:01 PM
Anyone know where I can get a sheet like this cleanly cut? Here's some incentive - I'd be willing to sell some panels if I could get it cut!! Anyone know what the story is with these - seem to be "plenty" of singles around, but I own the only panels I've ever seen - 1 set and this uncut sheet. Anybody. Anybody.

toppcat
10-05-2009, 09:20 PM
I may have created the misconception the Clemente exists a long time ago based upon an erroneous assumption on my part but have seen no confirmation it does. Here is the known 66 PO checklist:

http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/search/label/1966%20Topps%20Baseball%20Punchboards

However, there are possibly a few more out there if my theories are correct so it's possible I guess.

sflayank
10-05-2009, 09:26 PM
dave
what happened to the guy with the punchouts
did he ever tell u if they all have the instructions?
ill start the bidding at ???? for the lot

hcv123
10-06-2009, 07:05 PM
Dave,

Thanks for the update on the 66 punchouts. I bought the 66 PO from the Mastro auction 10 years ago. Unfortunately, I sold it 9 years and 11 months ago. I don't know if you've confirmed through your research multiple copies of any of them , but the one I sold went to a Mays collector, so if the guy who has the small group of them has the Mays (and is not the Mays collector), they produced at least 2.
I too would be interested in taking a shot at buying some/all of them. Larry - Firstly I think you'll need an extra ? in your starting bid - Secondly, I'll split them with you:)
Any comments/info on the 67 Pinup Sticker I posted?? How about were a guy can get a 1971 Bazooka numbered sheet cut?

-Howard

sflayank
10-06-2009, 08:29 PM
hi
yes i should have put 5 ????? in my bid
im just hoping it doesnt need 6
larry

toppcat
10-07-2009, 05:38 PM
The '66 Punchouts in the large collection had finished backs from what I remember of it; I can't find the confirming e-mail at present though. I haven't heard from the gent in months but he was hanging on to the cards at least until the economy improves IMO. He didn't seem in a hurry to consign them, that's for sure.

I was trying to confirm the Mays in Mastro so this is good intel here. I believe another Mays exists as well in addition to the one in the gent's collection but it could be the resale of the Mastro one. Our man had duplicate copies of some as well, not sure which ones. I believe 2-4 copies of each probably are known at this point, similar to the pop of the '61 Dice Game cards.

toppcat
10-07-2009, 05:41 PM
Oh yeah, the 67 Pinup Clemente Sticker-I want to compare the sig to the one in the latest Clemente thread on this board, which has a solid blue auto of similar vintage. Will try that later if I have time (may not). I am presently thinking that sticker was a one-off produced at Topps as a lark, the quality is realy to good for it to be a fake I think believe.

docpatlv
10-07-2009, 05:59 PM
Dave,

I posted the Clemente sig in the other thread. Although the sig on the 67 pin-up is close, I am 99.99% certain it is not legit. I have about 12 Clemente sigs and have collected him for a long time. I did a fair amount of research on his auto too in the past, and I don't believe it's good. I have talked with other serious Clemente collectors over the years, and we've had discussions about one of Clemente's friends (associate?) who used to sign some of his mail.

I have a couple of examples similar to the one on the 67 pin-up that I purchased early on and from experience and discussions with other Clemente collectors I began to differentiate legit and non-legit. Once you've seen a significant amount of signatures, it becomes easier to pick them out.

Mike

toppcat
10-07-2009, 06:06 PM
Dave,

I posted the Clemente sig in the other thread. Although the sig on the 67 pin-up is close, I am 99.99% certain it is not legit. I have about 12 Clemente sigs and have collected him for a long time. I did a fair amount of research on his auto too in the past, and I don't believe it's good. I have talked with other serious Clemente collectors over the years, and we've had discussions about one of Clemente's friends (associate?) who used to sign some of his mail.

I have a couple of examples similar to the one on the 67 pin-up that I purchased early on and from experience and discussions with other Clemente collectors I began to differentiate legit and non-legit. Once you've seen a significant amount of signatures, it becomes easier to pick them out.

Mike

Hmmm-back to the drawing board on the sticker I guess....that's really too bad because now it's just a defaced Topps rarity. Wonder who mailed it to him for his ghost signature?

hcv123
10-07-2009, 06:13 PM
I have not had the signature checked out by anyone so I do not know if opinion would leave it good or bad. That said, I HAVE had the Pin up sticker under a 20 power loop. Having been the unfortunate victim of counterfeits in the past, I took a REAL good look at the sticker - I saw nothing that would indicate to me it was a counterfeit. It has been a little while, but if my memory serves me correctly, the print was much tighter on the sticker than on an actual 67 pinup - to me indicating it would have to have been printed from an original source (How did they print these things back then?). Dave if it would help I could do a magnified high res scan of a part of it to share what I saw - even putting it next to a pin up. Probably wouldn't get to this for a while as life is a bit crazy now.

-Howard

docpatlv
10-07-2009, 06:50 PM
Dave and Howard,

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. It's just that I was burned on a couple of Clemente sigs early on, and I vowed never to let it happen again.

I remember the name of Clemente's "alleged" ghost-signer, it was Phil Dorsey. It's possible this item was signed in the late 1960's by Dorsey and then the test could have been produced. I don't have the knowledge on Topps test issues that the both of you do, my opinion was only on the auto.

Here are some more of mine to compare:

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr248/docpatadc/1960sClementeSigned1b.jpg http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr248/docpatadc/1964PiratesTmSigned.jpg http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr248/docpatadc/1960sClementeAutoA.jpg http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr248/docpatadc/1960sClemente3x5a.jpg

Here are some that are not mine, but I saved scans:

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr248/docpatadc/BallSingleSigned1.jpg http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr248/docpatadc/RegCard1CloseUp.jpg http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr248/docpatadc/Check10-14-72.jpg http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr248/docpatadc/Snapshot1960sBk.jpg

Note the differences in how Clemente formed the letter "T", also the "Best" in Best Wishes, the formation of "b" in Roberto, the legs in the "R" in Roberto,etc. I would not bet my life on it, but like I said I have seen A LOT of Clemente autos and although there are some variances in his legit signature, they still have the same characteristics.

Mike

toppcat
10-07-2009, 06:56 PM
Here's a link to my blog post on the 67 Poster Sticker (scroll down near the bottom for back scan) and a front scan for reference.

http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/search/label/Red%20Herrings

hcv123
10-07-2009, 07:20 PM
Thank you to Mike and Dave for all the input trying to solidify an opinion. As much as I AM a self proclaimed expert on Clemente issued cards and memorabilia, I am NOT in the least bit qualified to offer an opinion on his signature. I decided years ago not to even try as the thought of forgeries was too scary. Scared to the point that I passed on an opportunity to purchase a 30+ year collection of over 100 signed Clemente items(about 18 years ago). That said, I am very familiar with Phil Dorsey ( A close friend of Clemente's )and the realtively universal thought that he signed many Clemente ghost signatures. I did not buy the pin up for the autograph. In fact, I bought it despite it. I wish it wasn't there - perhaps one day if I get a consensus of opinions that it is not good I will try to wipe it off
(Just kidding. Did I get you?) While some might disagree, imo the scarcity/potential unique status of the item far outweighs any value/added value the signature has. To end, a question, would there be some potential variation attributable to the style of pen and surface? And the conversation continues................

onlychild
10-07-2009, 11:14 PM
Anyone know where I can get a sheet like this cleanly cut? Here's some incentive - I'd be willing to sell some panels if I could get it cut!!

Don't think it would be much of a problem. I cut three complete 1984 Topps Proof (encased) sets perfectly...each from a single big sheet. Just a fraction off at the start will mess up each new row, the last cards will end up OC.

Had one set graded, went from sheet to slabs with an 8.8 GPA...nothing below an 8. Global was the only one who would grade them (see below). Not sure I would feel very comfortable cutting another collectors cards though.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6322/84toppsproof2lp8.jpg


Kevin Saucier
.
.
.

hcv123
10-07-2009, 11:18 PM
Don't think it would be much of a problem. I cut three complete 1984 Topps Proof (encased) sets perfectly...each from a single big sheet. Just a fraction off at the start will mess up each new row, the last cards will end up OC.

Had one set graded, went from sheet to slabs with an 8.8 GPA...nothing below an 8. Global was the only one who would grade them (see below). Not sure I would feel very comfortable cutting another collectors cards though.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6322/84toppsproof2lp8.jpg


Kevin Saucier
.
.
.


What did you cut them with? How did you keep them from slipping? As you can see on the sheet I want to cut, I have a lot of room for error. Thanks.

tedzan
10-08-2009, 08:36 AM
Topps issued a limited production test issue designed in the style of their 1953 cards.


<img src="http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/zanted86/1972toppspaige.jpg" alt="[linked image]">


Only these 8 cards are in this set........

1......"Satchell" Paige
2......Jackie Robinson
3......Carl Furillo (picture actually Johnny Antonelli)
4......Al Rosen (picture actually Jim Fridley)
5......Hal Newhouser
6......Clyde McCollough (picture actually Vic Janowicz)
7......"Peanuts" Lowery
8......Johnny Mize

I will post the other 7 cards later.


TED Z

ALR-bishop
10-08-2009, 09:01 AM
Ted
I have a set of these too. I have often wondered if there was not some sort of gag or joke involved in their production since 3 of 8 are wrong.
Al

tedzan
10-08-2009, 09:23 AM
ALR

This test issue has always been a quite a mystery to me.

Why only 8 cards; and, (as you said said) how did they foul up on 3 of them ?

My understanding is that less than 200 sets were issued. Perhaps, some one on this forum
will chime in that has some knowledge of this issue.


TED Z

sfmays24
10-08-2009, 11:03 AM
Here's a 1973 Test Jackie Robinson... Ted, I heard the same about the set and that it was issued at some type of luncheon/meeting with Management?

Mike

toppcat
10-08-2009, 11:14 AM
I blogged this almost a year ago, based upon info from The Trader Speaks:

http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/search/label/1972%20%2753%20Topps%20Reprint

tedzan
10-08-2009, 12:17 PM
Thanks for posting the link regarding this 1972 Topps test issue......very informative.

I always thought this set was a 1972 issue. But, Krause's Standard Catalog identifies
it as a 1973 issue....

So, which year was it issued ? ?


TED Z

toppcat
10-08-2009, 12:31 PM
The whole thing is bizarre if you ask me, almost like they were sitting around having a few pops at the plant in Duryea and some had a "fun idea". Any why are they not referred to as "Baseball Stars", which appears to be the proper name for the set.

FWIW some people have questioned the accuracy of some items that appeared in TTS over the years, including this particular story. I think my explanation makes as much sense as anything else.

ALR-bishop
10-08-2009, 02:51 PM
Maybe Dave's name will catch Bob L's fancy for the next edition

hcv123
11-08-2009, 06:20 PM
Bump. Anymore test issue stuff to show? Still don't have an answer as to how/where to cut my sheet? Anybody? Thanks.

-Howard

Big Red Machine
11-27-2009, 12:24 PM
Here are some of my rare Johnny Bench issues....

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb128/phil0567/1980ToppsStickerprototypeJohnnyBenc.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb128/phil0567/1980ToppsStickerprototypeJohnnyB-1.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb128/phil0567/1972ToppsCandyLidsJohnnyBenchPSA8.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb128/phil0567/1973ToppsComicBenchpsa10.jpg

Marckus99
11-27-2009, 01:37 PM
Have a 68T 3D Clemente Square Proof, a regular 68T 3D Perez, a few 80T Pepsi Proofs and 68T Action Sticker progression proofs, 67T Sticker Clemente...among others.

Mark

Karl Mattson
11-27-2009, 09:55 PM
I only have 3 Topps test issues - the 1968 Plak and Disc, and the 1969 Super of Harmon Killebrew. I used to own most of the Plaks, several 1955 stamps, a 1961 Dice Game of Earl Battey, some 1970 Cloth Stickers and Candy Lids, some Punchouts and full sets of some of the easier issues like the 1974 Puzzles and 1967 Boston and Pittsburgh stickers. I never dreamed when I sold everything off around 20 years ago that it would be so hard to find them again; as late as 1991 the scarcest things I had barely fetched $100. Oh well. I'm still looking for a 1968 single panel Killebrew Action All-Star Sticker, and a 1967 Giant Stand-Up...

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq110/kmattson40/super.jpg

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq110/kmattson40/plak.jpg

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq110/kmattson40/disc.jpg

sflayank
11-28-2009, 07:17 AM
can use the disc
any interest?

Karl Mattson
11-30-2009, 11:01 AM
can use the disc
any interest?

Maybe - email sent

sschauer
12-02-2009, 07:44 AM
Here are a few Rose's I own just got the 88 cloth in very bizarre card literally feels like a paper towel no rigidity to it either surprised topps could even print them.

http://www.4192cards.com/rose/topps/test/images/1988ToppsCloth.jpg

http://www.4192cards.com/rose/topps/test/images/19694On1MiniSticker.jpg

sfmays24
12-04-2009, 11:39 AM
http://www.4192cards.com

What a great site!

Mike

sschauer
12-04-2009, 08:52 PM
http://www.4192cards.com

What a great site!

Mike

Thanks for the praise Mike

toppcat
12-05-2009, 08:35 AM
Impressive site and collection!

Karl Mattson
12-09-2009, 10:52 PM
Can any experts out there educate me on what Topps test issues are somewhat misnamed, in that they were probably never test-marketed?

It seems to me that the 1967 and 1968 discs are just proofs that never made it to the marketing stage - correct?

How about the 1967 Giant Stand-Ups? Were the non-proof variety ever tested, or is this issue in all its variations just something from Gelman's closet? I know there was a wrapper, but I think I've only ever seen one example.

How about the 1973 comics and pin-ups? I think I've only ever seen (a picture of) one example folded around gum - all the others I've seen have been fold-free. Any reason to think these were ever really tested anywhere as gum wrappers?

Is it safe to assume the 1955 stamps, 1970, 1972 and 1976 cloth stickers and 1966 punch-outs never saw any kind of test distribution?

I think there's some anecdotal evidence that the 1968 plaks and 1961 dice game may have been tested on some very limited basis?

How about the 1970 candy lids? Are they ever found attached to a tub, or with bent tabs? All the ones I've seen have looked unused/unissued.

Thanks.

Rich Klein
12-10-2009, 06:13 AM
Which I bought at my local grocery store in New Jersey

Rich

ALR-bishop
12-10-2009, 08:17 AM
I have an unopened 68 Plak pack and set and a set ot the 73 Comics and Pin Ups, plus an unopened 73 Comic pack. I have the 67 Discs, both Giants and All Stars, but they are on uncut sheets. I only have a handful of the 68 discs, all cut. I still need 4 of the 67 Stand Ups, but my partial set has a mix of proofs and the finished die cuts.

I have the 67 Punch outs, and a damaged package with 2 uncut strips. Do not have any of the 66s.

I have all the Cloth sets, with the exception of the 70s....Bob is pigging all those :-). No Dice either --Larry and Bob are both pigging those :-) .

I have only I one 55 stamp and unfortunately it is Don Mossi and the only thing you can see is ears.

I can't argue with your conclusions other than I do not think the 61 Dice saw any real distribution to the public

toppcat
12-10-2009, 11:59 AM
Major Topps proofs (that would be a great name for a drunk soldier), never tested at retail IMO:

55 Stamps
61 Dice
66 Punchouts (not the ones with the lineups)
67 3-D (the Brooks Robinson prototype)
67 Stand Ups without die cuts
67 Discs
68 Discs (all types)
70 Cloth Stickers
71 Rookie All Stars
72 Cloth Stickers
76 Cloth
80 Coins

ALR-bishop
12-10-2009, 12:53 PM
I have the 80 Coins, the 72 and 76 Cloths, and the 67 Discs.

Zip on the 61 Dice, 70 Cloth, 66 Punch Outs and 71 Artists Proofs.

Have one 55 Stamp and 4 68 Discs. About half of my 20 67 Stand Ups are the proof, non die cut variety.

I have a set of the 68 3Ds minus the Robinson prototype, but, Dave, there are two other proof cards involving that set that have surfaced that should probably be included with the Robinson...Can not recall the names, one was a no name Reds pitcher. Bob will remember. He remembers everything

Rickyy
12-10-2009, 02:42 PM
68 3D wasn't there an issued card of John O'Donoughue? I think that one had no writing on the front..just the 3D image...if I'm not mistaken.

Ricky Y

toppcat
12-10-2009, 06:05 PM
68 3D wasn't there an issued card of John O'Donoughue? I think that one had no writing on the front..just the 3D image...if I'm not mistaken.

Ricky Y

There are three unissued proofs in that set but the set itself was issued.

paul
12-10-2009, 11:06 PM
I purchased my 73 Topps Comic Tom Seaver off of ebay still wrapped around the gum. It was hell to open it up to display it. But I think it's a safe bet this was in a store back in 1973.

I assume those crazy 1988 Topps cloth (paper towel) cards were never issued to the public, but don't really know.