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08-12-2007, 12:01 AM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>There really are quite a few obscure post-war cards. Some that few collectors have ever seen. I'm not talking about the kind-of-scarce but very valuable cards like the 1954 Wilson Franks of Ted Williams. I'm talking about the truly rare and never seen, like the 1946 Sears Postcard of Stan Musial, the 1955 Topps stamps, and others that I've never even heard of.<br /><br />Please, post them if you've got them. I'll start off with a couple of Tom Seavers, since I collect everything of him.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1186809488.JPG"> <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1186809513.JPG"> <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1186809555.JPG"> <br /><br />The first one is a Korean card of Seaver. I wish I had more info, but I don't. The second is a Kurland Cadillac and Oldsmobile of Seaver, probably from late 1977.

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08-12-2007, 07:16 AM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p><img src="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s120/bcbgcbrcb/SandbergRyne.jpg">

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08-12-2007, 10:46 AM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>Not as rare as the '63 Pepsi Bateman, but the 3 variations of '60 Fleer #80 don't come up very often. I've got a copy of The Trader Speaks from about '73 when they were first discovered. This is the most "common" one, Lefty Grove on the front and Pepper Martin on the back (all #80's have Martin on the back). This one appears to be factory cut, and doesn't have the cancellation gouge that most of them have.<br />Of the 3 variations, Grove/Martin is the most often found (if you ever see one), then Collins/Martin, with Tinker/Martin virtually never seen.<br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/griffins/1960fleer/icons/60Fleer80.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/griffins/1960fleer/icons/60Fleer81.jpg">

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08-12-2007, 10:52 AM
Posted By: <b>Leslie Westbrook</b><p>So, is the correct version of the fleer Lefty Grove the MOST common?

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08-12-2007, 11:02 AM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>The correct version of Grove is as common as any of the other 79 cards in the set-in other words, very common. The Grove with Martin #80 on the back is the scarce one- I've seen 4 in the last 7 years. Collins with Martin is found less, I've seen 3 in the time I've been tracking them, with only one Tinker/Martin in that period.

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08-12-2007, 01:19 PM
Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>Nice one Anthony! I started collecting the 60 Fleer set about two years ago and I still haven't seen any of the #80 cards for sale or auction.

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08-12-2007, 01:49 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Here's a Bill McGowan postcard from his own umpiring school.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1186854564.JPG">

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08-12-2007, 02:30 PM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>King-<br /> there was a Grove PSA 5 MC on ebay about 3 months ago. I thought about picking it up for trade bait but the seller is an old timer that is such a pain in the ass it would've been a nightmare. It ended up selling for about 2K.

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08-12-2007, 03:34 PM
Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>i have had a complete sets of these fleer greats since i resumed collecting in adulthood 25+ years ago. i learned all about the old-timers from these cards (and the ethan all all-star baseball game) when i was a 7 year old and still love them. so anthony,there is no pepper martin front? just the back. thanks for showing, thats the first time i've ever seen one. also it is very easy to get the 61/62 wrapper but the 1960 wrapper is really tuff! any theories why? and also i'll add with a 2k price i guess i will never get card #80.<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-12-2007, 03:49 PM
Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>Thanks Anthony. I guess I should add it to my ebay search functions. I don't think I would have gone close to 2K, but its worth knowing about when they are listed.<br />

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08-12-2007, 05:13 PM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>Paul:<br /><br />I have been looking to purchase that one for a long time. I have only seen one on e-bay in the past year. Is that the one you picked up? Would you considering selling it?

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08-12-2007, 05:33 PM
Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>Dennis-<br /> '60 packs and wrappers just seem a bit tougher- check Steve Harts website and you'll see he always has '59 and '61'-2 Fleer packs, but rarely '60's.<br />There is no Pepper Martin card in the '60 set, at least with the front.<br /> 2K was not a bad price for this card. A cancelled Collins/Martin that was graded PSA 8 (but didn't have the qualifier it should have, since a chunk was taken out of it in the cancellation) went for a bit over 8K about 5 years ago in a private sale. All 3 that were handcut went for around 3500. each in Lipset about 5 years ago, they reside in Levi's set. All have been graded PSA-authentic. Similar prices were realized on each of the 3 in the Dec '00 Mastro.<br /> The one I obtained (pictured above) was purchased raw on ebay about '02 for $1000. It is oversized, but factory cut and has not been cancelled.<br /> I don't have a wrapper from this set, but do have a pack, box, and about a dozen different 3 card panels:<br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/griffins/packs/icons/1960Fleer.jpg"><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/griffins/waxboxes/icons/60Fleer.jpg"><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/griffins/uncutsheets/icons/60FleerPanel8.tif.jpg"><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/griffins/uncutsheets/icons/60FleerPanel7.tif.jpg">

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08-12-2007, 10:02 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Phil,<br /><br /> I bought the McGowan several years ago on ebay. I sent a photocopy of it to Bob Lemke, and that is the one that is pictured in the Standard Catalog. I don't think I'll ever give it up unless I can find a McGowan from the 1948 Safe-T set. I've got one card of every Hall of Famer who has one (except Pete Hill, and maybe Al Spalding depending on your point of view). So I need to hang onto it.<br /><br />Paul

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08-12-2007, 11:27 PM
Posted By: <b>D. C. Markel</b><p><img src="http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t192/SoliDeoGloria_2007/72_DJ_Clemente.jpg">

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08-13-2007, 12:35 AM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>1966 Fleer All Star Match. The back puzzle, which is said to consist of 66 pieces, is of Don Drysdale. An odd duck of a set, to say the least.<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/66fleerallstarmatchfront.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/66fleerallstarmatchback.jpg"><br /><br />

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08-13-2007, 02:08 AM
Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1186898895.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1186898907.JPG"> <br /><br />Sigh...

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08-13-2007, 02:41 AM
Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>Phil,<br /><br />I got this off ebay last year. Perhaps this was the one you saw. The auction also included the application and brochure for the umpire school. Those are pretty cool, but I was more interested in the card, of course. I'm not selling either, for the same reason as Paul. I probably should have it graded - its pretty cherry!<br /><br /><img src="http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/triwak/213.jpg"><br />

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08-13-2007, 07:27 AM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>Ken:<br /><br />You're right, that is probably the one I saw and bid on through e-bay. It's a great item and I understand why you want to hold on to it because, as you know, it is the only career contemporay issue of the HOF Umpire, Bill McGowan.

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08-14-2007, 01:03 PM
Posted By: <b>dstudeba</b><p>Phil -<br /><br /> I love the photography in that Red Lobster set. No borders and all the pictures taken at Wrigley. The only post 1980 cards I have bought in years.<br /><br />

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08-21-2007, 09:16 PM
Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>I know some have seen these, but probably not the majority.<br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/littletreasures/yazsomeofmyfavorites/websize/y66Punchout_1.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/littletreasures/yazsomeofmyfavorites/websize/y79Tradin.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/littletreasures/yazsomeofmyfavorites/websize/y68watch.jpg"><br /><br /><br><br>"Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Jong

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08-21-2007, 09:29 PM
Posted By: <b>midwestcpa</b><p>I'd love to see a pre-1982 Cal Ripken Jr card if anyone has one. Thanks.

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08-21-2007, 10:23 PM
Posted By: <b>Jim Crandell</b><p>Here it is--<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187662997.JPG">

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08-21-2007, 10:50 PM
Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>Doesn't Ripken have two or three different minor league cards?<br><br>"Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Jong

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08-21-2007, 10:56 PM
Posted By: <b>Jim Crandell</b><p>Andrew,<br /><br />Yes--pretty sure at least one more.

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08-22-2007, 06:48 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Here's one that I'm sure some of you have seen. In 1975, Topps issued a set of cards showing the people who usually took the pictures for their baseball (and other sport) card sets. Backs showed stats.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/baseball/1975/1975toppsphotographers/75Photographers088Cunningham.jpg"><br />

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08-22-2007, 07:02 AM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Other small run Topps sets were issued in the 1970-72 era and, in a nutshell featured contest winners. The set was called "One Year Winners" or something similar. I'll have to find my reference material and post a better description. Topps produced a lot of little sets or single card issues that are not well documented in the 60's and 70's (even 80's) that were not designed for general release.

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08-22-2007, 11:24 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />I'm seen the contest winners cards listed in the big SCD, but I've never seen one in person. I'd love to get at least one as a type card.<br /><br />Bob

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08-22-2007, 11:28 AM
Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>Thanks Jim. That Ripken is a beauty.

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08-22-2007, 11:45 AM
Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>1948 Philadelphia Bulletin Stand-Ups Hank Majeski<br />This example has been cut out and pasted to cardboard.<br /><br /><a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/bahbee61/majeski.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a>

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08-22-2007, 11:50 AM
Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p><img src="http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z26/pspec/Sprint_Ruth.jpg">

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08-22-2007, 01:43 PM
Posted By: <b>RedManChewer</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187717769.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187717795.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187717819.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187717834.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187717846.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187717876.JPG"><br />

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08-22-2007, 01:53 PM
Posted By: <b>Steve f</b><p>1946 Cubano cardo<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187718746.JPG">

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08-22-2007, 03:18 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Thanks Mr. Redmanchewer!! Are those possible to find? How many cards are there in total?

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08-22-2007, 03:53 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Those Topps winners I think can sometimes be found in the Wrapper as they are considered Non Sports in nature from what little I have read. I wish I had one but have only seen them in Wrapper ads (a while ago, not that recently) and never in person. I am also pretty sure they were issued in 1972 as well. More research later today hopefully.

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08-23-2007, 05:31 PM
Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>but I had never seen them until I bought them at the National, Campy last year and Kell this year:<br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/taslegal54/52HandOoatmeal_Campy.jpg"> <br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/taslegal54/50sASpinupsKell.jpg">

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08-23-2007, 06:20 PM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>Along with the Sears P/C, this is the true Rookie Card of HOF Great, Stan "The Man" Musial......<br /><br /><img src="http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s120/bcbgcbrcb/MusialStan-2.jpg">

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08-23-2007, 07:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>that's not a rookie card, it's just some damn propoganda <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-23-2007, 09:03 PM
Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>I have this one from the same set, but that is a very cool Musial, never seen it before.<br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/littletreasures/baseball/websize/1946%20Propogandes%20Dimaggio.jpg"><br><br>"Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Jong

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08-24-2007, 11:41 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Here's a few more. Doesn't anyone have any '55 Topps stamps?<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187926364.JPG"> <br /><br />1950 Acebo (Cuban) Chuck Connors<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187926396.JPG"> <br /><br />1950 Acebo Quincy Trouppe<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187926434.JPG"> <br /><br />1947 Postcard of All American Girls Professional League team (Muskegon Lassies) w/ Harry Heilmann<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187926523.JPG"> <br /><br />1949 Philadelphia A's team issue Nellie Fox<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187926560.JPG"> <br /><br />1949-50 Toleteros (Puerto Rico) cards of Leon Day and Hilton Smith<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187926756.JPG"> <br /><br />1944 Grand Studios Casey Stengel with Milwaukee<br />

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08-25-2007, 05:39 PM
Posted By: <b>RedManChewer</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187991377.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187991422.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187991445.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187991465.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187991488.JPG"><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1187991512.JPG"><br />

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08-25-2007, 06:55 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Thank you, Redman Chewer! Now I've finally seen at least a scan of a 55 stamp.<br /><br />By the way, what's the deal with the Seaver card? Is it just missing some ink on the borders? Also, what is that Dave Philley card? It doesn't look like any bread label I've seen.

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08-25-2007, 10:05 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Red Man Chewer-Lyman is looking for a Topps Stamp scan for the next issue of Old Cardboard. Please e-mail me if you are willing to provide one.<br /><br />Thanks!